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Ciao 10-27-2017 05:26 PM

Overpriced Oil Filters
 
I stopped by the Porche Dealer to get a oil drain plug; mine has the 10mm hex stuck and can't get it out.

Price for factory oil drain plug and washer = <$20.00 (~14. and change)

Price for factory oil filter $40.00! Fortunately they were out.

What oil filter have you used that is as good as factory and what was the price?

10/10ths 10-27-2017 05:29 PM

invest in....
 
...the spin-on oil filter adapter and use Napa Gold filters.

Meir 10-27-2017 05:59 PM

You can find the same filter on pelican parts or amazon for $10.
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/SuperCat/1050/POR_1050_BASFLT_pg2.htm#item9
Mahle is a good brand.
The spin on adaptor is a good investment.

78F350 10-27-2017 06:57 PM

My last oil filter buy was some of these:

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1509159298.jpg
Oil Filter Cover Cap 99610702055 - Genuine Porsche - 996-107-020-55 | Pelican Parts
Filter and new housing, $25. Not sure how long the housing is supposed to be good for, but if you have an original and don't want to convert to spin-on, it's a good idea to replace it periodically.
Also bought Hengst and Mann filters for ~$10 ea

thstone 10-27-2017 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Meir (Post 553682)
You can find the same filter on pelican parts or amazon for $10.
2002 Porsche Boxster S Convertible - Filters & Belts - Page 2
Mahle is a good brand.

^^^ I use Mahle or Hengst. Same as factory. ^^^

Lacostas 10-28-2017 02:00 AM

I got mine oil filter (for 986) on Official Dealer for 24€ (excluding labor). It was the genuine part.

Ciao 10-28-2017 06:57 AM

Thanks guys!

Great ideas from various perspectives!

Don't have to be tied to dealership for great products at great prices!

Cheers!

rick3000 10-28-2017 07:56 AM

Wix or Napa Gold 7211 is the best cartridge filter in my opinion, about $10 USD. It has plastic end caps, unlike the paper ones that will sometimes disintegrate.

KRAM36 10-28-2017 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rick3000 (Post 553715)
Wix or Napa Gold 7211 is the best cartridge filter in my opinion, about $10 USD. It has plastic end caps, unlike the paper ones that will sometimes disintegrate.

Where are you getting Napa Gold 7211 oil filters for $10? I have not been able to find them for less then $20.

I started buying K&N Pro Series 7011 oil filters. Get them off eBay shipped for under $10.

rick3000 10-28-2017 09:46 PM

The Napa Gold one is the same as the Wix 57211, looks like the Wix are $15 on Amazon, or $12 at Rock Auto. Prices may have gone up a bit since I switched to a spin on oil filter a few years ago. :cheers:

Boxstard 10-29-2017 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 78F350 (Post 553686)
My last oil filter buy was some of these:
Filter and new housing, $25. Not sure how long the housing is supposed to be good for, but if you have an original and don't want to convert to spin-on, it's a good idea to replace it periodically.
Also bought Hengst and Mann filters for ~$10 ea

Genuine filter/ housing for $20 at Sunset, seems exceptional deal when they sell just a filter for $18. I still have the original housing so will buy this next time.

I can search but what's the benefit of spin-on? With factory setup it's easy to check for debris that may be a sign of IMSB or other internal issues, no need to cut up the filter housing.

kk2002s 10-29-2017 04:01 AM

+1 on below and the fact it includes a filter. This was my first and only actual Porsche part I have bought to date. I'm thinking of framing the Porsche original equipment box it came in

Typically I use NAPA Gold around $19. I like them because the core is plastic not fiber and I can buy locally

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Originally Posted by 78F350 (Post 553686)
My last oil filter buy was some of these:

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1509159298.jpg
Oil Filter Cover Cap 99610702055 - Genuine Porsche - 996-107-020-55 | Pelican Parts
Filter and new housing, $25. Not sure how long the housing is supposed to be good for, but if you have an original and don't want to convert to spin-on, it's a good idea to replace it periodically.
Also bought Hengst and Mann filters for ~$10 ea


Frank N 10-29-2017 04:40 AM

I cannot imagine those spin ons have the flow rate of the larger cartridge....but hey what do German engineers know.

Ciao 10-29-2017 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank N (Post 553779)
I cannot imagine those spin ons have the flow rate of the larger cartridge....but hey what do German engineers know.

I tend to stick to factory as much as possible, but look for deals while remaining with factory specs. Many Boxsters have exceeded 6 figure mileage and still running strong without significant mods; do others with significant mods last that long w/out having to rebuild or have major engine issues?

JFP in PA 10-29-2017 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank N (Post 553779)
I cannot imagine those spin ons have the flow rate of the larger cartridge....but hey what do German engineers know.

The WIX/NAPA Gold can actually out flow the OEM cartridge, yet has a 30%+ finer media pore diameter, and is capable of flowing way in excess of what the oil pump puts out.

mikefocke 10-29-2017 08:51 AM

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The WIX/NAPA Gold can actually out flow the OEM cartridge, yet has a 30%+ finer media pore diameter, and is capable of flowing way in excess of what the oil pump puts out.
Besides using a standard cartridge removal wrench, isn't there a plus to the spin on filters in the area of deleting the bypass valve thus removing the possibility of particle-contaminated oil bypassing the filter? Not cheap though for the initial fitting.

Gelbster 10-29-2017 09:09 AM

I wonder why J.R.and many others recommend a filter conversion kit ?
Maybe there is a reason - or 2...
But treat yourself to a tool(Longacre#77750) to open the casing so you can inspect for debris
https://lnengineering.com/products/other-watercooled-stuff/spin-on-oil-filter-adapter-for-my97-08-boxster-cayman-911.html
Don't forget the loctite.

10/10ths 10-29-2017 09:21 AM

Here's why I converted....
 
...I bought my 2004 Boxster S "50 Years of 550 Spyder Edition" in 2015.


My first Porsche after owning a Miata for 25 years.

I immediately shipped the car to Jake Raby of Flat 6 Innovations and had him perform his "Level 3" package of preventative maintenance.

This involved a new water pump, new rear main seal, new Air/Oil Separator, new cam chain tensioners, new spark plugs, and the....wait for it....."IMS Solution".

Part of his "IMS Solution" is a spin-on oil filter adapter.

As part of the service, he provides a list os "approved" spin-on oil filters that have passed his scientific oil flow tests.

The Napa "Gold" filter is one of the best. I asked Jake, "Wouldn't the Platinum filter be better than the Gold filter?" He replied, "The Gold flows better in our testing."

There ya go.

Jeff in PA knows of what he posts.

Just do it.

P.S.
Yes, the bypass valve bypass is also a huge plus.


:cheers:

JFP in PA 10-29-2017 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 10/10ths (Post 553806)
...I bought my 2004 Boxster S "50 Years of 550 Spyder Edition" in 2015.


My first Porsche after owning a Miata for 25 years.

I immediately shipped the car to Jake Raby of Flat 6 Innovations and had him perform his "Level 3" package of preventative maintenance.

This involved a new water pump, new rear main seal, new Air/Oil Separator, new cam chain tensioners, new spark plugs, and the....wait for it....."IMS Solution".

Part of his "IMS Solution" is a spin-on oil filter adapter.

As part of the service, he provides a list os "approved" spin-on oil filters that have passed his scientific oil flow tests.

The Napa "Gold" filter is one of the best. I asked Jake, "Wouldn't the Platinum filter be better than the Gold filter?" He replied, "The Gold flows better in our testing."

There ya go.

Jeff in PA knows of what he posts.

Just do it.

P.S.
Yes, the bypass valve bypass is also a huge plus.


:cheers:

Just be aware that the IMS Solution uses a different type of filter with an internal bypass, while the standard spin on adaptor uses a “full flow” filter without an internal bypass. The reason for this is that Jake discovered in his testing of the Solution design that the solid bearings benefited from the bypass under extreme cold conditions, while the ball bearing design IMS did not need it.

JFP in PA 10-29-2017 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gelbster (Post 553803)
Don't forget the loctite.

What is the LocTite for? If you are putting it on the spin on adaptor, that is a mistake.

The adaptor does not need either sealant or thread locker.

10/10ths 10-29-2017 10:29 AM

Jeff in PA...
 
...Oooh, nice info!!!!

That makes sense.

The Napa Gold I use has the bypass in the filter. Good catch, thanks!

:cheers:

A8ked 10-29-2017 10:43 AM

I will be doing an oil change next week and appreciate the heads up on the price at Sunset.
BUT, the Sunset description for #996-107-020-55 lists only the housing and makes no mention of the filter being included?
The Pelican site specifies that for #996-107-020-55-M100 the filter is included with the cover, but their part number ends with that additional -M100.
Can anyone who has actually ordered this part from Sunset and confirm the filter was included? I like to buy from Pelican, but five bucks is five bucks...

Pdwight 10-29-2017 11:01 AM

NAPA Gold
 
I have always used these in my cars, how can a paper roll have a By Pass in it ??

JFP in PA 10-29-2017 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by A8ked (Post 553818)
I will be doing an oil change next week and appreciate the heads up on the price at Sunset.
BUT, the Sunset description for #996-107-020-55 lists only the housing and makes no mention of the filter being included?
The Pelican site specifies that for #996-107-020-55-M100 the filter is included with the cover, but their part number ends with that additional -M100.
Can anyone who has actually ordered this part from Sunset and confirm the filter was included? I like to buy from Pelican, but five bucks is five bucks...

Buy it from Sunset; it won’t include a filter, so buy the Wix/NAPA Gold version and get better filtration for less $.

JFP in PA 10-29-2017 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdwight (Post 553819)
I have always used these in my cars, how can a paper roll have a By Pass in it ??

The bypass is in the filter housing, not the filter. This is a problem as the factory bypass is famous for sticking open and 100% bypassing any filtration. The filter for the IMS Solution gives you a new valve with each filter, eliminating this issue.

Pdwight 10-29-2017 11:49 AM

That makes perfect sense
 
As always you Jeff are our "Yoda"

jakeru 10-29-2017 12:08 PM

No matter where you buy it (and especially from any Porsche dealership parts department) the genuine Porsche part number 996-107-020-55 should include a filter.

In fact, I just verified that one of these which I'm currently installing came from Sunset.

The part number printed on the included filter is "996-107-225-53":
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1509307303.jpg

JFP in PA 10-29-2017 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdwight (Post 553828)
As always you Jeff are our "Yoda"

May the force be with you child................

https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/im...1462&width=320

A8ked 10-29-2017 05:13 PM

Ok, Thanks Jakreu !

Pdwight 10-29-2017 07:27 PM

While we are talking about oil filters....a question
 
This is the part from our great hosts for a spin on filter that requires an adapter

2001 Porsche Boxster S Convertible - Filters & Belts - Page 2

I do not understand, the oil filter is $225 and the adapter is separate ??

I though the spin on adapter allowed you to use a conventional can type oil filter that can be usually had for $20 or less ????

particlewave 10-29-2017 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdwight (Post 553873)
This is the part from our great hosts for a spin on filter that requires an adapter

2001 Porsche Boxster S Convertible - Filters & Belts - Page 2

I do not understand, the oil filter is $225 and the adapter is separate ??

I though the spin on adapter allowed you to use a conventional can type oil filter that can be usually had for $20 or less ????

That's a reusable filter cartridge with a stainless steel washable filter (it comes apart).
I use one and have both 25 and 40 micron mesh filters. It came with my LN spin on adapter, otherwise I probably wouldn't have went that route...may still switch to conventional spin on filters, but I've been running it for a couple years or so with no issues.
Another advantage is that mine has a high power magnet built into it.


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