986's a rare breed?

[RedTele58]

Originally Posted by 78F350

Actually Rick, there are plenty of Boxsters in Oklahoma. The problem is that most of them are kept by a few hoarders.

We kind of resemble that remark, don't we?

[BoomerRoadie]

I live in the Phoenix area. The 986 is not common nor rare by any means. The hardtop option is quite a bit more or a rarity. BUT, what makes it really weird is, there's another red 986 like mine in town with the hardtop!! It's weird seeing her drive around with the hardtop on!!

Other than that, I'd say I see a handful of 986's. The newer 918 seem to be very popular in my area now. There's a BUNCH of old farts around these parts!!! Sorry guys...you're the only ones who can afford them!

[Finnegan]

I've only seen 3 or 4 in my town of ~160k, (Western Oregon) and nobody else seems to be DD-ing theirs in the winter.

[Ciao]

Haven't seen but 1 or 2 986s in Denver, Aurora, Lakewood area in Colorado

[jonogt6]

Originally Posted by Quadcammer

Nope, not gonna happen

Hmmm not convinced by your thinking there.
'If 80s European Fords can become Classics then
Surely a Boxster can.

Have you seen how much XR2/XR3 prices have risen in the UK!!

[Boxtaboy]

Originally Posted by BoomerRoadie

I live in the Phoenix area. The newer 918 seem to be very popular in my area now. There's a BUNCH of old farts around these parts!!! Sorry guys...you're the only ones who can afford them!

The 918 starting price is $847,000. Guess there's a bunch of really rich old farts in your neighborhood!

[Giller]

Originally Posted by jonogt6

Hmmm not convinced by your thinking there.
'If 80s European Fords can become Classics then
Surely a Boxster can.

Have you seen how much XR2/XR3 prices have risen in the UK!!

Even amongst Porsche owners, the Boxster is still seen my many as the poor stepchild. It's rare an entry level car becomes a 'collectible' car (big difference from classic) - but I would wager an early Cayman might be in with a shot.

Convertibles are also a challenge - not a lot of Collectible convertibles...mostly coupe's.

[thstone]

Originally Posted by Boxtaboy

The 918 starting price is $847,000. Guess there's a bunch of really rich old farts in your neighborhood!

I noted this too! Pretty sure that he meant the Boxster 718, but it would be great to see a bunch of $1M cars rolling around town!

[nobrakes]

The Boxster 986 will certainly be a REAL classic in the next 10-20 years for the following reasons...........#1 Its a Porsche. Even being the" poor mans" Porsche it has the Crest and the flat 6 motor. #2 Its the car that kept Porsche alive in bad times. Yes they built 300k of them and there are still a lot of them out there so they wont be rare, but they will be a classic There are lots of old Vettes out there 63-67 so they are not rare but they certainly are classics. #3 25 years ago did you ever think that a 70 Dodge Roadrunner 0r 71 Charger would really be a classic worth a lot of money? finally reason #4........The best reason of all, The 986 Boxster is a PURE sportscar. As time passes all cars have become more automated and less visceral. A 986 with the top down is " one with the driver". You can hear the intake, exhaust, the road. You can smell the air and the grass You can feel the curves and the wheels spin under you. As Porsches have been refined its less of a driving thing and more of a comfort thing. This is why a 356 is so desirable. Its hard to find a newer Porsche that's a stick shift. There will always be people who want to go back to the good old days when cars didn't have launch or race mode. When you could use your foot to downshift before a curve, when you could smell the old leather seats and canvas of the convertible top........I hope Im around and still driving my 02 S in 20 years so I can hear young kids say " man, that Porsche is a classic! "

[Giller]

Originally Posted by nobrakes

The Boxster 986 will certainly be a REAL classic in the next 10-20 years for the following reasons...........#1 Its a Porsche. Even being the" poor mans" Porsche it has the Crest and the flat 6 motor. #2 Its the car that kept Porsche alive in bad times. Yes they built 300k of them and there are still a lot of them out there so they wont be rare, but they will be a classic There are lots of old Vettes out there 63-67 so they are not rare but they certainly are classics. #3 25 years ago did you ever think that a 70 Dodge Roadrunner 0r 71 Charger would really be a classic worth a lot of money? finally reason #4........The best reason of all, The 986 Boxster is a PURE sportscar. As time passes all cars have become more automated and less visceral. A 986 with the top down is " one with the driver". You can hear the intake, exhaust, the road. You can smell the air and the grass You can feel the curves and the wheels spin under you. As Porsches have been refined its less of a driving thing and more of a comfort thing. This is why a 356 is so desirable. Its hard to find a newer Porsche that's a stick shift. There will always be people who want to go back to the good old days when cars didn't have launch or race mode. When you could use your foot to downshift before a curve, when you could smell the old leather seats and canvas of the convertible top........I hope Im around and still driving my 02 S in 20 years so I can hear young kids say " man, that Porsche is a classic! "

Big difference between a 'classic' and a 'collectible'. Most cars over 25 years old would be considered a 'Classic' - but that doesn't mean they have any increased value. The Porsche badge does nothing for long term value - there are tons of Porsche's out there much older then the 986 that have very little value, even ones in great shape. Autotrader is full of them.
But healthy debates such as these certainly help them to be a 'classic', that's for sure. Without passion, there will be no classic.

[Ciao]

Originally Posted by Giller

Big difference between a 'classic' and a 'collectible'. Most cars over 25 years old would be considered a 'Classic' - but that doesn't mean they have any increased value. The Porsche badge does nothing for long term value - there are tons of Porsche's out there much older then the 986 that have very little value, even ones in great shape. Autotrader is full of them.
But healthy debates such as these certainly help them to be a 'classic', that's for sure. Without passion, there will be no classic.

Who possesses a Porche without passion? Does passion have a price? I think the 986's value is worth its passion.

[Perfectlap]

I see a lot more water cooled 911 than 986. I agree people deferring the maintenance and repairs now exceed the resale of the car and that has taken a toll. In states with perfect year round weather the 986s are in way better shape at this point, so you see more of them. Everywhere else they're dropping like flies. Winter is brutal on these cars and the cost of repairs do not scale down over time...

Also, I'm seeing a lot fewer air cooled 911 and 944. One have become too valuable to drive regularly the other too niche, not a lot of younger drivers into 944/968/928. Gen x and older have by now given up their toys for $50k SUVs and pickups to haul the kids.

Got pulled over this morning for no front plate. First time in 16 years. 19 if you count the previous roadster.

[Pominoz]

Originally Posted by navair

For that enormous market, if you filter out duplicates, and search for 2000-2002 S 6-speed (the original and best ), you get about a dozen, half of which look rough. Hence the observation that original owner, carefully maintained, cherry 986 S's are already rare. I live in SoCal and work on a huge Navy base, and I regularly see one other 986 S. One. Oh, and I'm still waiting for a 718 sighting :dance:

Interesting about the 718. I'm in Melbourne which is the second largest city in Australia, and I've not seen a single 718 on the roads yet. Interestingly 3 of the 4 launch day cars that were in the main dealer last year are still for sale in their used listings.
I guess the other one must have gone somewhere.
As a flat 6 N/A fan, I'm hoping the 718 is a sales failure so that Porsche will think again.

I also wonder why they didn't try a supercharger with a smaller flat 6, but that's another story.

[cas951]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

I see a lot more water cooled 911 than 986. I agree people deferring the maintenance and repairs now exceed the resale of the car and that has taken a toll. In states with perfect year round weather the 986s are in way better shape at this point, so you see more of them. Everywhere else they're dropping like flies. Winter is brutal on these cars and the cost of repairs do not scale down over time...

Also, I'm seeing a lot fewer air cooled 911 and 944. One have become too valuable to drive regularly the other too niche, not a lot of younger drivers into 944/968/928. Gen x and older have by now given up their toys for $50k SUVs and pickups to haul the kids.

Got pulled over this morning for no front plate. First time in 16 years. 19 if you count the previous roadster.

You're spot on on these comment. I'd like to add a few.
We are seeing a lot more water cooled 911's because they're all water cooled since 1999. I do see more 996 than I do 986 here in the Bay Area.

Some of us 944 owners have moved on to newer Porsche's but also keep the 944. From what I see those that have one in good condition have kept them and not use them as often. I'm one of them and know of another 5 individuals in the Bay Area that did this. I drive my 944 turbo only once last year.

Did they actually give you a ticket for no plates or just a fix it ticket? I've been lucky so far. I do know not to go to SF without front plates. They give tickets while you're parked.

[BIGJake111]

I feel like I see 928s fairly often, only on weekends and only ever few months but that seems often for the cars age.

There are a lot of Craigslist special 944s sitting around lower income areas of the upstate as it seems any money pit sports car of the era populates front lawns in these areas.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by Pominoz

Interesting about the 718. I'm in Melbourne which is the second largest city in Australia, and I've not seen a single 718 on the roads yet. Interestingly 3 of the 4 launch day cars that were in the main dealer last year are still for sale in their used listings.
I guess the other one must have gone somewhere.
As a flat 6 N/A fan, I'm hoping the 718 is a sales failure so that Porsche will think again.

I also wonder why they didn't try a supercharger with a smaller flat 6, but that's another story.

If the car ends up a failure - the risk is they stop producing it. It's highly unlikely they will revert back to 6 cyl - far too many environmental regulations. This is their way of getting the fleet average down - which is a must for all mass-market car manufacturers now.

[BRAN]

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[jrebot2]

I really like the 981s

[redciv1]

Honestly, I didn't buy a 986 for hopes that the price would increase in the years to come. I bought it because I was looking for my next car to meet the 3 following criteria:
1. RWD
2. Convertible
3. REAL SPORTS CAR.

I was just just looking at the 996 GT2 and alot of guys are speculating on the value of that car in 15 years. I cant really buy a car for investment purposes and then drive it like it was supposed to be driven...HARD and ENJOYABLE.

[redciv1]

Originally Posted by Giller

Even amongst Porsche owners, the Boxster is still seen my many as the poor stepchild. It's rare an entry level car becomes a 'collectible' car (big difference from classic) - but I would wager an early Cayman might be in with a shot.

Convertibles are also a challenge - not a lot of Collectible convertibles...mostly coupe's.

This was said about the 924's and prices are rising. Boxster and 924 can't even be compared to one another.