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perspectivism 10-11-2016 03:11 PM

Pls help!!! Urgent!!!
 
I have posted a number of threads on how problematic my boxster is, having many many problems since the start.

Today, while I was driving along the highway, I could hear the engine was making a loud noise

When I was reaching home, I could smell a thick pungent smell.

When I step on the pedal, the car was also barely moving.. I have to rev very hard

When I park my car, the smell was stronger and also there was white smoke coming from the front and there was this loud boiling or spurting sound.

When I went to check the bumper I saw this yellow liquid spurting out..

What's happening? Is it even safe to drive my car to the mechanic? He is at least http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...ac6a8bdfc5.jpg15km away

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particlewave 10-11-2016 03:27 PM

Don't drive it, but sounds like you already killed it.
That is coolant, most likely mixed with oil from the looks of it. Cracked head or cylinder wall is my guess...probably a goner, but you never know. :(

What was the temp gauge doing? Check the coolant reservoir tank in the trunk for signs of coolant/oil intermix.

perspectivism 10-11-2016 04:00 PM

Looks like mixed with both oil and coolant?

Guess what, I just drove it for a week.

I'm so so angry with my mechanic and the seller.

Not sure if I'm reading the correct gauge but the coolant seems empty.

Are you quite positive this is not just simple coolant but likely mixed with oil? Why would you say this is a goner?

Thanks, im weighing all options now. The seller was very dishonest.



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dghii 10-11-2016 04:06 PM

IT IS NOT SIMPLE COOLANT. Don't drive your car. You have a 'Milkshake', which is oil/coolant mixed. Headgasket or cracked head is a typical cause.

Someone else weigh in..is it possible to get this from bad oil cooler O-rings? I doubt is but it is the best, bad scenario that comes to mind.

perspectivism 10-11-2016 04:11 PM

Thanks guys. Pls continuing chipping in. My mechanic and ex seller hasn't been most honest I feel.

Everytime I ask them for mlre info.. they would say, don't worry we will sort it out for me.

Pls let me know what u think I wanna know more

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BoxsterSteve 10-11-2016 04:17 PM

Intermix in the entire cooling system?
That may be from bad oil cooler o-rings, but most likely a cracked head.
You need to check the coolant reservoir tank in the rear trunk and see if you have the same goop in there, and check if the oil dipstick has the same stuff on it.
Best of luck, but it doesn't look really promising from the picture you've shown.
Don't drive the car!!!!
That intermix does not lubricate engine parts adequately and you will cause further bearing damage if you keep driving it.

Smallblock454 10-11-2016 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by perspectivism (Post 512781)
Today, while I was driving along the highway, I could hear the engine was making a loud noise

And then you continued to drive.

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Originally Posted by perspectivism (Post 512781)
When I was reaching home, I could smell a thick pungent smell.

And then you continued to drive.

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Originally Posted by perspectivism (Post 512781)
When I step on the pedal, the car was also barely moving.. I have to rev very hard

And then you continued to drive.

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Originally Posted by perspectivism (Post 512781)
When I park my car, the smell was stronger and also there was white smoke coming from the front and there was this loud boiling or spurting sound.

When I went to check the bumper I saw this yellow liquid spurting out..

Well. You really didn't continue to drive?

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Originally Posted by perspectivism (Post 512789)
I'm so so angry with my mechanic and the seller

Because they told you to continue to drive even if strange things happen?

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Originally Posted by perspectivism (Post 512781)
What's happening?

Your front cooler or a cooling line blasted. But it seems that this is not the only thing that went wrong.

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Originally Posted by perspectivism (Post 512781)
Is it even safe to drive my car to the mechanic? He is at least 15km away

No.

perspectivism 10-11-2016 04:56 PM

Thanks everyone for your kind input. This is my first car and I have only driven this boy for less than a week.

It has been in and out of the mechanic for the past month, with about 1 or 2 days of driving in between some major issues.

I called my mechanic. He initially attributed it to a simple coolant leak and I retorted that it looks like coolant mixed with oil.

He will come and tow it later. Will keep u guys updated.

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perspectivism 10-11-2016 05:09 PM

Am curious when you guys said that the car is a goner. What do you mean? What parts may be irreparably damaged that repairs would prove too costly or impossible?

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BoxsterSteve 10-11-2016 05:16 PM

Car is a goner... the engine is f#%ked because you kept driving the car with literally no oil in it.
To paraphrase Smallblock 454, it was telling you to stop, but you didn't listen.

911monty 10-11-2016 05:36 PM

Victim of seller and mechanic
 
Give the guy a break!!! Do you remember or have you gone back and reviewed his first posts??? I don't care where you are, his repair bills from the shyster mechanic in my opinion are clearly someone taking advantage of him. In there it clearly states the car overheating twice while being repaired by the mechanic. I think he was sold a POS car and then the mechanic took him to the cleaners.

http://986forum.com/forums/general-discussions/63344-hello-singapore.html

MARTHA 10-11-2016 05:42 PM

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They are saying that they believe your engine needs expensive repairs, which means if they are correct you will have to replace the engine. And with the cost of a Porsche engine being what it is you have two options (unless you are wealthy), find a used engine, or probably your cheapest option is to simply find another car.

Having said all this, this is their judgement reached from what you have told them. I guess if you were extremely lucky you might get by with replacing an engine head.

I really feel bad for you, obviously you have grown up and live in an environment that hasn’t given you the skills needed for car ownership. Nothing wrong with that except the learning curve has been horrible for you. Heck, its painful to watch.

Good Luck!
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perspectivism 10-11-2016 05:45 PM

Indeed this is my first car and I apologize for the inconvenience I might have caused here.

Why would you guys say the engine may need repair? What are the obvious indications?

What is an engine head

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BoxsterSteve 10-11-2016 05:51 PM

Sadly the OP's experiences illustrate how vital a PPI by a competent mechanic really is. Sure I feel for the guy; he's had a crappy go of it.from the start. I wouldn't wish that type of hell on anyone.
But I can't be convinced he has made things easier on himself by continuing to drive a car with an obviously damaged engine.

911monty 10-11-2016 06:01 PM

Unfortunately I don't think the OP would recognize a damaged engine. He is still asking how an obvious intermix indicates a problem. In his original post the second time the car overheated the mechanic told him the radiator was plugged and had to be flushed. I'd bet it had intermix then....and the mechanic told him to drive it and report if anything wrong. Man this story is hard to read.

eddy 10-11-2016 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by perspectivism (Post 512812)
Indeed this is my first car and I apologize for the inconvenience I might have caused here.

Why would you guys say the engine may need repair? What are the obvious indications?

What is an engine head

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The obvious indications are the mixing of coolant and oil. Coolant does just that, it keeps your engine in an operating temperature range that is healthy for it. Oil keeps the moving parts lubricated. They work in separate channels and are not supposed to intermingle. When they do, it means that something has failed and allowed them to mix.

Very generally, the engine is made up of the block or crankcase, and the head (or heads-- Boxsters have two). The heads and the block are bolted together. the channels of oil and the channels of coolant run through both the heads and the block. What people are saying is that it is possible that the head and the block have come apart from each other enough to allow those channels to mix fluids. That's bad, and in the case of a Porsche, pretty expensive. It can cause a lot of other things to go wrong.

We were all there once. I definitely did a lot of things I shouldn't have with my first car. If you think your car may be telling you something is wrong, stop driving it if you can. That will allow you to spend less money later.

rexcramer 10-11-2016 06:45 PM

1. STOP DRIVING IT NOW. (Have it towed to the garage)

2. FIND ANOTHER MECHANIC NOW. (Preferably a mechanic that knows Porsche's)

3. PRAY to the motoring gods for leniency.

MARTHA 10-11-2016 07:59 PM

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1. STOP DRIVING IT NOW. (Have it towed to the garage)
rex is correct. Driving it will only cause more damage and more damage means more expense to repair.

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2. FIND ANOTHER MECHANIC NOW. (Preferably a mechanic that knows Porsche's)
rex is correct….. Unless, and I hate saying this because rex is correct, rex is correct, rex is correct, but if as you said the purchase agreement was for the mechanic to repair it for free, “maybe” you should give him a chance to make good on the agreement, at this point I don’t see the harm, how could he make things worse, just don’t pay him any money. If you are ask to pay FIND ANOTHER MECHANIC.

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3. PRAY to the motoring gods for leniency.
American Humor.
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cornontherob 10-12-2016 04:45 PM

Attached is a simple diagram of a head and block of an engine. In a boxster it would be different as there would be two on either side, but the general concept is the same. In the head, or cylinder head, coolant and oil run in their own separate channels. Coolant cools the engine down, and oil lubricates. This is the main function of each. Oil usually will not cool an engine adequately, and coolant cannot lubricate the internal parts of an engine. When failure like this occurs and the milkshake mixture is present, it means that there is a crack in either the head or the cylinders of the engine that is allowing these two to mix. Because coolant is now in the system, and it cannot lubricate, all of the engine components deep inside the engine are now wearing out incredibly fast. If this is the case, then it is likely too late to save the engine in its present state. Sooner or later, even if you replace the head, the damage caused from driving the engine with that mixture will cause it to fail prematurely.



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mikesz 10-13-2016 04:21 AM

I do most of the work on my 99 myself. Havent found a mechanic I trust. I have resolved most of my problems myself, without putting it on the MACHINE which costs $60 a shot. if you THINK something is weird with your car stop driving it and check it out.

geraintthomas 10-13-2016 05:06 AM

Right. This is the problem with owning a Porsche as your first car while knowing nothing about how it works.

I really feel for you dude, and I can completely sympathise with what's happening, but you just can't buy a car like this as your first car without knowing even a little bit with what's going on under the skin. You have to do a bit of research dude.

Now in a very basic way, let's look at that diagram that Cornontherob posted. See the cylinder head and engine block here?

http://sellmodelmotorcycles.com/wp-c...PHOTO-3258.jpg

Oil within the engine block lubricates all of the moving parts (and also helps cool it). All of the oil sits at the bottom of the engine block, then gets circled around to lubricate the moving parts, like this:

http://i.imgur.com/GUhLPkTh.jpg

Coolant is the liquid that cools your engine, which gets pushed around the block to cool it down. Hot coolant goes from your engine into your radiator, the radiator cools it down, then it goes back into your engine, and so on. Like this:

http://i.imgur.com/CI9ZP5qh.jpg

The head gasket in the first diagram sits between the two ensures that the oil and coolant doesn't mix. When this fails, the oil will mix with the coolant which means two things:

- Oil can't lubricate the parts well as it's now watered down
- Coolant can't cool the engine down due to having oil in it

When the two mix, you'll get a creamy liquid which is clean coolant and thick dirty oil mixing together. One of the checks people do when buying a car is to look under the oil cap for this creamy substance, also nicknamed 'mayonnaise', as it's a sign that this has happened. So to see that it's pouring out of your car, it's sure sign that this is the case.

Unfortunately, this is pretty much catastrophic. The mixed substance has now gone around your engine and around your radiator too. All of this will need repairing and, unfortunately, it's very expensive as you're talking engine rebuild.

Now I don't want to rub it in, but when oil and coolant start to mix, the engine will start to overheat and you should have noticed the temperature gauge go up on your dashboard before any other signs happened, before any noises, engine struggling, etc. If you had stopped the car at this early stage of it starting to overheat, you could have saved it. But seeing as you drove and drove it without even thinking of googling what you should do, it looks like it's probably game over.

Again I really, really feel for you mate. But if there's anything to be learnt here, it's to do some research on some basic workings of a car. If you knew everything I said in this post (and what other people have said), which is just basic car knowledge, you could have saved the car.

DrCactus 10-13-2016 08:44 AM

Drive it off a bridge !

kk2002s 10-13-2016 09:45 AM

As far as I know there is only 1 situation where oil and water meeting isn't catastrophic - the Oil cooler 'O' rings.
Head gaskets leaking appears to be very rare.
Cracked head might be in play here.
The other question is - what would cause coolant to spew from the radiator end of the car not the Overflow in front of the right rear tire?
Would a cracked head allow pumping air into the Cooling system (like a leaky head gasket) causing so much pressure that it blew a weak area in the radiator system?

Good luck with this

geraintthomas 10-14-2016 03:42 AM

Possibly a cracked head, oil going into the coolant, too much liquid for the radiator and pipes, then they split.

jakeru 10-14-2016 10:43 AM

When an engine is overheating and continues to be driven, especially when there is enough vapor in the system that "normal" coolant circulation by the water pump ceases, the temperaratures of the engine head will continue to increase, and rate of boiling of the coolant will accelerate. The coolant liquid or vapors can only escape out the coolant cap/pressure relief vent so quickly, so "runaway" overheating could allow excessive pressure to build up (well above what the pressure relief cap would start to vent at) which would then cause the system to start to relieve this pressure at the next weakest link, whereever that is (in this case, apparently it was somewhere around the right radiator).

Crib 10-14-2016 11:48 AM

Man, I really sympathize with you. It is truly heartbreaking to read this thread after also having read your other ones.

But I guess you don't really need our sympathies nor comments on that you should have stopped in time. Perhaps it would not have really mattered either, after the first loud noise. Who knows...

Anyway, my honest tip for you would be either of the two:

1. If you still got the commitment and spirit: really try to get hold of a serious mechanic, but with continued dialogue with the original one regarding liability. Isnt there any consumer rights legislation in Singapore that you can hang on to?

2. If you finally decide that you are sick if this: Buy a car with a more mainstream after market situation that allows you to know less of cars and still rely on a fair quality being delivered. You are never safe with any car though...

I hope this sorts out man! (and that you by good reasons go by 1. above)


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