My last water pump to be installed
 

then I'm selling her. So I'm going to replace the pump with a $150 cheap-ass after market unit from Oreillys auto parts. My question is (and I hate asking this) can I replace the fluid with regular Prestone or do I have to use the high dollar Porsche coolant? I hope to capture and re-use the coolant I drain out... unless it's rusty or looks contaminated. Normally I would never cut costs, but I'm planning to upgrade to a newer low mileage Boxster, and selling my older high mileage one.

I've been running regular Prestone for a couple of years now with no ill effects. It's true that certain types can cause problems but if you choose the right one it's fine. My opinion, but not just mine.

My indy thinks the Porsche coolant is snake oil. I think he uses Prestone across the board. He said it's a coolant change, not a blood transfusion.

Are you going to disclose all that to the buyer?

If not, that's a crappy thing to do, especially considering you can buy a pierburg WP is around $165 from warehouse33auto.com with the rennlist xtra 10% off

I do concur with Jay. Use good parts!

If you're changing coolant types, make sure to flush completely. I like Zerex G-05 as it's the slightly older Mercedes-Benz coolant. And if it's good enough for a V12 Mercedes, it's good enough for a Porsche. ;)

The issue with coolant types is that some are not compatible with others and will cause goo to form in the cooling system if mixed together.

If you are going to change coolant type, be sure to fully flush the system with distilled water first

Just because it is used in a V12 merc, does not mean it is proper for a Porsche M96. It may be fine and it may be disastrous

dude! cheap ass water pumps are on ebay. for between $50-$100
:cheers:

That may be true, but it's a crappy thing to do to the next owner

Karma is a b!tch

+1
The previous owner of my Boxster let the car sit for 3 years without any maintenance. At least he told me before I drove off.

After changing a few water pumps and reading through the forums, I've become a water pump heretic.
I see no reason to buy an expensive pump, and I see the metal vs composite impeller as a moot point. I will be changing mine about every two years and running Zerex or Prestone as my coolant. I do not trust an OEM pump much longer than that anyway. If I can get a Pierburg for about $150 sure, but otherwise GMB, Gates, Beck Arnley ~$100 and I'm satisfied for two years, then changing it again.
Not doing this:
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and this:
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again. :barf:

The task itself is pretty easy.

If I sell, I'm informing and explaining.

See post # 4
Pierburg WP ~$165

Pentofrost in mine.

I understand water pump failures are common. This is the 4th one on mine (110k miles). The previous pumps were installed by a shop at $600 a pop, and I'm sure they were cheap after-market units. I'm kicking myself for not replacing them myself. It's actually easier than doing a Chevy water pump. I do plan to replace the coolant with Prestone after flushing the system out. Water pump failures are a normal part of life on the 986s.

I have saved every receipt as did the first owner and plan to disclose everything to the next owner. It is a well documented car. I'm sure the next owner will be here on this forum so I plan to be straight up.

My indie shop, which I trust as they give me options to keep my costs down, told me that metal impellers can be a problem. When they fail they can chew up the block.

Carlos

That is a great price!

+1 on the flush plus any coolant suitable for the aluminum block. I think the spec is "phosphate free coolant". I've been using this for over 100K in my car.
+1 on finding a $165 Pierburg water pump.

+1. How will you feel when you find out that your next Boxster has been loaded up with cheap ass parts and the wrong fluids?

Well, like a politician, Im going to flip flop. I replaced the water pump myself. It was so easy.. easier than a Chevy :) I wished I had done the previous pumps myself and saved $$. This garage queen runs great, and don't think I'm going to sell her now. So the water pump was $150 and 3 hours of my time as compared to $600 and having someone else do it. I think the shops have been taking me for a ride with the cheaper water pumps. I don't mind cheap pumps, they're easy to replace!

My last water pump to be installed
 

I wouldnt do that. Cheap water pumps can break apart and ruin an engine. Good ones can as well, but it's much more likely using one like you are considering . The next guy is not going to know. Porsche owners need to take care of each other. It is expensive enough as it is.


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+1 We're a fraternity with mutual interests and bonded together via these great cars.

Hm, i don't know what cheap water pump exactly means. A water pump is not a rocket design peace of engineering. You have a chassis, a bearing, a seal, an impeller and a drive shaft. In general these parts have to be manufactured and pressed together with some precision and it will work. In Germany they start at around 120 Euro (135 USD) and go up to 350 Euro (395 USD) for after market water pumps for the 986.

If you use a well known after market brand, why shouldn't that work?

And where exactly is the difference in the double the price water pump? Longlivety? Precision? And is that worth double the price? I mean these pumps are no rocket design. And if you ask me i don't see what part of it can be more in price difference than 10 Euros in purchase price of bearings or other elements. Same to precision. So do i buy the brand name with a 200-300% price upgrade? At least i don't understand.

My other car needed a new water pump. OEM from MB was 350 Euros (approx. 395 USD). Bought a SKF brand for 90 Euros (approx. 101 USD). Yes, if i took a very close look you see slight quality differences in the aluminium cast. The OEM is perfect. The SKF is 99,95%. But does that matter? And everything else looked the same and also the axle and everthing else feels solid.

Can't tell how long it will last, we will see. Also the OEM lastet only 100 TKm (62K miles).

Just my 2 cents
Markus

A $150 water pump is not likely to break apart unless it is used well beyond it's expected service life. So is one stamped "Porsche". I have an original water pump that broke up and put debris all through the cooling system. The only symptom was that the car gradually overheated.
I would have rather had the previous owner install a $100 pump at the appropriate time.
Buy a Boxster and not sure how old the water pump is? Replace it.

Totally understand your point.

But the general thinking is that the person who installs a $100 water pump would likely never do so preventatively.

I guess the thing I don't get is how many folks have claimed to have had to R/R their water pumps as 40-60K miles, yet swear one should pay a premium to replace with a pump like the pump that just failed.

Sorry, can't help myself.

Does anybody ever pull the engine cover off, remove the belt, grab the pulley to check it for play before just replacing it based on the mileage/calendar? Usually pump bearings get noisy and/or develop a bit of play. Then the seal starts to weep before it grenades. I understand that the plastic impeller condition can't be seen without pulling it.

I am good with proactively maintaining a vehicle. X/O an expensive OEM pump with OEM antifreeze that is equally pricey just cuz seems unwarranted IMHO?

I mean no disrespect to dissenting opinions and I have apologized to the Porsche deity in advance of this posting.

IMHO waiting 'till you have a wobble or weep is kind of like waiting until you see chunks of steel in your oil filter before you change the IMS bearing. You are fixing a problem after it has likely damaged your engine.
If you don't like the price of parts from Porsche, there is plenty of aftermarket support for our cars. Just do a little research and know what you are buying if you go to an outside supplier.
For example, Know that if you go with another brand of coolant, you need to flush all of the unicorn-derived fluid out of the system first. Avoid coolants that aren't Phosphate and Silicate free. I don't need a "lifetime" fluid, because I'm dumping it in the river every few years.

disclaimer: This is my unejukated advice. I get bored reading more than a page or two into the manuals. Do your own research. ;)

For those who are interested, I just bought a Porsche brand pump from Sunset for $237.

Hm, my point is that Porsche doesn't produce water pumps and other parts themselves. They get them from suppliers. Maybe the supplier has a special contract with Porsche and has to guarantee a specific quality control, but the product itself is the same. So if you know the supplier, why pay an upgraded price on the same product in a Porsche labeled box?

Didn't say you should pay the cheapest product, but why not buy a good quality product from a well known after market supplier that also supplies Porsche and save a lot of money?

Just my 2 cents
Markus

Because the delta between the price of the "Porsche Approved" and aftermarket is negligible given the crucial importance of the component and the number of miles that will be achieved. You may be correct, it may be the case of paying a premium for no reason but how do you know with absolute certainty? Is risking the engine worth a hundred USD? This is not a component one should be trying to save 1% of their total vehicle maintenance spending. Buy cheaper tires, brake pads, spark plugs, etc. if you want but water cooled means water cooled.