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My_Name_is_Dan 08-18-2015 03:21 PM

A Boxster Test Drive - An Adventure in Idiocy
 
I found a two owner 2001 5 speed, with 46K miles last week via AutoTrader. It was 3 hours from me, so I called the owner and inquired. He had owned it since 2004 and rarely drove it. He had the clutch replaced and I asked why and he indicated he was trying to teach his daughter to drive a stick - and it didn't go so well. I asked for detailed pictures and it looked really well kept. It was Zanzibar Red with a black leather interior with Liltronic headlights and full leather package. Got all the option codes and he sent me the latest car fax. I asked about the tires and he said they were new.

After looking at the pictures, I felt good enough to make the 3 hour drive to check it out. I had called ahead and located a German auto shop that could do a PPI should I find this is the one I wanted. I was all set..

Or so I thought...

It was a horrible drive. The rain was pounding and intense this morning and it didn't quit until maybe 20 minutes before I arrived at my destination. I was worn out by the time I got there.

The car was sitting in the garage with a cover over it. He pulled the cover off and I was standing there looking at what I perceived was a tomato - at least that is the color it looked like to me. I took my time and scanned the body carefully. It was really good. I found a couple of small dings that were almost imperceptible and would be easily remedied. The front bumper had maybe two small chips in it.

Interior is near perfect. Has the leather dash. Everything looks good. Visor doors are broken. No big deal. Convertible top opens and closes. Top is in great shape. Time to start it up. Starts up okay, but on initial start I hear a momentary lower end noise until oil pressure comes up. I put it in reverse and pull out of the garage. Clutch is not as smooth as I envisioned. Nevertheless, I back out into the sun. The car is now an orange instead of a tomato. I silently ask myself if I can live with this color.

I inspect the tires. Owner said they were new. Fronts look great, back - not so much. They're down to the wear bars in the middle of both tires. I ask about them being overinflated, but he assures me he checked it and it is within spec.

Okay, we go for a drive. Of course the sky opens up and it starts raining. Got a little wet before I get the top completely up. So, I'm driving the car and the front windshield is fogging up. I don't know the HVAC controls so I ask the owner to get the AC off defrost and direct it to the vents. He starts pushing button after button, changing temp and fan speed, pressing more buttons and can't seem to redirect the air. I'm thinking a blend door issue, so I reach over and try. I find the correct button and all is well - but I'm thinking to myself why doesn't this guy know how to operate his own car?

A few minutes later we arrive back at his place and I ask about the clutch, specifically when was it changed. It was done in 2011, about 10K miles ago. Okay, not a lot of miles in that time… I ask when did you do the last oil change. He replied… 2011. The same time the clutch was changed. He is quick to note that Porsche recommends changing oil every 15K miles. I mention to him I believe it is also recommended to change it every year, regardless of whether you hit 15K or not. He is silent.

I ask when he changed the brakes. He indicates he has never had to change the brakes. Ever (Not in the 11 years he has owned it).

I get out the car and I smell burnt oil. I pull the oil cap and the coolant cap. Nothing out of the ordinary. I pull the dipstick, wipe it off and check the oil level. It was way, way below where it needs to be. Not by a little, but by alot. I show this to him. Again he is silent.

I turn to him and tell him this car is not for me. He is quick to tell me this is a 14 year old car and I'm not buying a $60K car. I explain my reasons, that P cars need to be maintained on a regular basis, you can't just let it sit and not take care of it.

I get back in my car and come home with many lessons learned. I allowed myself to be taken in by the pretty pictures and the low mileage (the asking price was $11.9K). I failed to ask detailed questions about the maintenance history via phone and email. I don't know why I didn't do that, I've always done it in the past. In retrospect, I burned a day of leave and wasted a whole day driving. I failed miserably and it was nobody's fault except my own.

I came home and ate some cookies. I feel better now...

tommy583 08-18-2015 03:29 PM

I actually love that orange/red color. I doubt the wife would love it though. I get enough looks in a silver car. Don't worry about the wasted day. You will find the right car soon enough. At least now you know more questions to ask the seller. Chalk it up as a learning experience.

jacabean 08-18-2015 03:36 PM

be prepared to go through that a few times . so many poor quality boxsters out there. Pictures and owners can be very misleading . take your time you will find the right one .

particlewave 08-18-2015 03:37 PM

Just a note: it's not unusual to see low oil on a dipstick after the car has been driven. That's why you check it cold. ;)

Also, Zanzibar Red is awesome. :p
Keep at it.

911monty 08-18-2015 03:37 PM

Unfortunate, but far better than if you didn't find those issues! By description sounded like a reasonable candidate, but mechanical maintenance is a major issues with these cars, especially the who is doing them. Now you will be forewarned and forearmed with questions to ask on next one.
That red would be a great color for car shows, but is a little too "attractive" to drive for me.

My_Name_is_Dan 08-18-2015 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 462260)
Just a note: it's not unusual to see low oil on a dipstick after the car has been driven. That's why you check it cold. ;)

Also, Zanzibar Red is awesome. :p
Keep at it.

Thanks for the tip. I was not aware of the correct procedure.

particlewave 08-18-2015 04:07 PM

While we are talking brakes, check rotors on potential cars, also. They seem to wear almost as fast as pads.

BYprodriver 08-18-2015 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by My_Name_is_Dan (Post 462267)
Thanks for the tip. I was not aware of the correct procedure.

Owner probably wasn't either, could be a huge bargaining point to get the price where you want it, if you like the Zanzibar red. It's a rare color. I always try to check the dipstick on any unknown vehicle before starting the engine.

My_Name_is_Dan 08-18-2015 04:48 PM

I could have lived with the color as I thought it was unique. It was the lack of maintenance that shut the deal down. There is that gut feeling you have when you're sitting in the car that tells you this is not the one. I had that feeling…

There is one out there with my name on it. I just gotta be patient. Problem is, I've never been a patient man. Just ask my wife!

BFeller 08-18-2015 06:21 PM

Checking out various cars it a good way to get a sense of what is available. Sounds you learned from everything you did. Plus - you saved the cost of a PPI.

BIGJake111 08-18-2015 07:42 PM

That's one of my favorite factory colors.

And in defense of the owner, the hvac is not intuitive in the slightest. I leave mine on auto and hit the plus and minus and leave it at that.

Sorry to hear about the bad luck with oil and such though, definitely a good car to get away from.

RedTele58 08-18-2015 08:00 PM

Zanzibar red, litronics and full black leather would make up for a few sins for me. I'm betting it had a few more high dollar options as well.

My mechanic calls Zanzibar Red "tomato soup red" and it does change color depending on the light.

Good luck finding the right car.

JayG 08-18-2015 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 462260)
Just a note: it's not unusual to see low oil on a dipstick after the car has been driven. That's why you check it cold. ;)

Also, Zanzibar Red is awesome. :p
Keep at it.

oops...
you are supposed to check the oil warmed up.You do need to let it drain back in a few minutes and then check it.
In any case, hot vs cold should not equal really low. If you turn the car off and check it right away, it will be low. You have to wait for the oil to drain back down to the sump

RTFM!
(Couldn't resist Charles)

thstone 08-18-2015 08:25 PM

Rule #1 - Never believe anything the owner tells you about the car they are selling.

Rule #2 - Never forget Rule #1. Even if the car or the girl selling it (or both) look very nice.

Chuck W. 08-18-2015 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGJake111 (Post 462293)
That's one of my favorite factory colors.

And in defense of the owner, the hvac is not intuitive in the slightest. I leave mine on auto and hit the plus and minus and leave it at that.
.

Same, same. Love Zanzibar Red!! And, after 14 years I can turn the heat up and down and the AC on and after that I get lost.

particlewave 08-18-2015 08:51 PM

Cold, warm, whatever :p
Just not hot...

Deserion 08-19-2015 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGJake111 (Post 462293)
And in defense of the owner, the hvac is not intuitive in the slightest. I leave mine on auto and hit the plus and minus and leave it at that.

Come on Jake, you're way younger than me. You're supposed to be a whiz at these newfangled technology thingamabobs. :D To me, the Audi HVAC unit is about the same as my Mk5 GTI's Climatronic, and a touch simpler than the 987's unit.

Crono0001 08-19-2015 06:38 AM

If it's any resolve, I don't know how to work the defroster either.

Muzzle of Bees 08-19-2015 10:48 AM

This may be contrary to what others do.
I think of features I would want mostly. They are really hard to add later.
I think of colors I like. I don't want to paint it yet.
If I find an exact match. I may pay more.
If I find something really close. I will pay less.
If I find hardly any match. Pass.

The air is not intuitive at all.

Timco 08-19-2015 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 462302)
Rule #1 - Never believe anything the owner tells you about the car they are selling.

Rule #2 - Never forget Rule #1. Even if the car or the girl selling it (or both) look very nice.

I've kept most receipts and all boxes for all parts and kept most old parts for just this reason. Nothing to hide, I fixed anything that needed attention.

mikefocke 08-19-2015 12:28 PM

You didn't waste a day....

You learned about a car, learned more about what you want in a car, learned more about what to look for pre-PPI, learned what you don't want, learned what was available at a price.

The first rule of buying is don't buy the first one you see/drive . (I violated it with each of mine.)

jdlmodelt 08-19-2015 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGJake111 (Post 462293)
That's one of my favorite factory colors.

And in defense of the owner, the hvac is not intuitive in the slightest. I leave mine on auto and hit the plus and minus and leave it at that.

Sorry to hear about the bad luck with oil and such though, definitely a good car to get away from.

I concur. My wife and kids were driving back from a Nebraska vacation and I flew to Denver to meet them and I had 4 Porsches to look at. We stopped at the one that I was most interested, at an automotive "Pawn Shop" on Colfax. The car was the only one parked inside and it had a sign on it that said, "do not touch". haha! I told my son that sign didn't apply to us because we were considering buying the car. They spent quite a while getting the car out of the building, it had to fit out the double doors at quite an angle because there was a significant pitch drop in the pavement leading outside the doors. Eventually, they got it out without scraping the bottom. My wife and I left the kids with the Pawn Shop owner. I don't know what my kids were thinking. We took the car for a spin and were messing with the A/C controls and fumbling with them randomly till we finally figured it out as was described above. They are not intuitively obvious. I still hit the wrong button from time to time and I've been driving it regularly for two years now. So...we got back to the store and our kids were still there unviolated, safe and sound. We bought the car right there on the spot. It has been a joy to own and drive. My wife and I are taking an anniverssary trip to Crested Butte in about 4 weeks in it. We did that the first fall we bought it. :cheers:

JayG 08-19-2015 04:22 PM

Maybe I'm a frickin genius, but the climate control is really easy to use. I don't understand the problems you all are having.

Maybe it's because I rent a lot of cars and they all have different methods of operation

Naw, I' m a frickin genius. A poor one, but a genius nonetheless

particlewave 08-19-2015 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JayG (Post 462420)
Maybe I'm a frickin genius, but the climate control is really easy to use. I don't understand the problems you all are having.

Maybe it's because I rent a lot of cars and they all have different methods of operation

Naw, I' m a frickin genius. A poor one, but a genius nonetheless

You're a genius. I don't have any problems with it and I'm a genius, so logic dictates that you must be, also. ;)

My_Name_is_Dan 08-19-2015 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayG (Post 462420)
Maybe I'm a frickin genius, but the climate control is really easy to use. I don't understand the problems you all are having.

Maybe it's because I rent a lot of cars and they all have different methods of operation

Naw, I' m a frickin genius. A poor one, but a genius nonetheless

Well, count me as a genius cause I figured it out too….and I never drove a 986 until that particular day.

So, how many geniuses do we have now? Three?

JayG 08-19-2015 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 462422)
You're a genius. I don't have any problems with it and I'm a genius, so logic dictates that you must be, also. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by My_Name_is_Dan (Post 462424)
Well, count me as a genius cause I figured it out too….and I never drove a 986 until that particular day.

So, how many geniuses do we have now? Three?

Hmmm, let me guess, we are all over 50?

My_Name_is_Dan 08-19-2015 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayG (Post 462427)
Hmmm, let me guess, we are all over 50?

Can only speak for myself, but… yes.

cardiffgiant 08-19-2015 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikefocke (Post 462389)
You didn't waste a day....

You learned about a car, learned more about what you want in a car, learned more about what to look for pre-PPI, learned what you don't want, learned what was available at a price.

The first rule of buying is don't buy the first one you see/drive . (I violated it with each of mine.)

I fully agree. Investing time in making the correct decision is time well spent.

BIGJake111 08-19-2015 06:52 PM

You have a snowflake. An up arrow, a down arrow, a vent button, a recirculate, defrost, and auto button.

Other then the defrost and recirculate button that all might as well be hieroglyphics.

Why not a dial with feet, face, and feet and face? I'll admit dials are tachy (intentional pun) and prefer the way our cars are, but it's tough to figure out.

jakeru 08-19-2015 07:16 PM

Please show us where Porsche recommends annual oil changes on 986's regardless of mileage?

I am seeing a recommendation to *check the oil level* (not change the oil) every year, regardless of mileage on 986's...
Maintenance Schedule - Porsche Boxster (986) FAQ

JayG 08-19-2015 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGJake111 (Post 462446)
You have a snowflake. An up arrow, a down arrow, a vent button, a recirculate, defrost, and auto button.

Other then the defrost and recirculate button that all might as well be hieroglyphics.

Why not a dial with feet, face, and feet and face? I'll admit dials are tachy (intentional pun) and prefer the way our cars are, but it's tough to figure out.

snowflake - very common for AC
Up arrow - higher temp or fan
down arrow - lower temp or fan
the others startling from the top are defrost vent, dash vent, floor vent

all pretty explanatory and very common Icons

not putting you down, granted you are fairly young and have not had a bunch of cars.

feet, face, and feet and face would be pretty cool

BIGJake111 08-19-2015 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayG (Post 462454)
snowflake - very common for AC

Up arrow - higher temp or fan

down arrow - lower temp or fan

the others startling from the top are defrost vent, dash vent, floor vent



all pretty explanatory and very common Icons



not putting you down, granted you are fairly young and have not had a bunch of cars.



feet, face, and feet and face would be pretty cool


All experience before the boxsters were domesticated or Asian. With a fan speed nob, a temp nob, and a vent nob (floor, dash, or defrost usually.)

Providing all the same controls but with individual buttons and functions can be seen as over complicating things.

However as stated, I put it on auto and when I get hot I hit the minus and cold I hit the plus, works great and is simple enough haha!

kjc2050 08-20-2015 02:31 AM

Domesticated cars are the best!

Deserion 08-20-2015 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayG (Post 462427)
Hmmm, let me guess, we are all over 50?

Nope, I'm still under that age target. :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjc2050 (Post 462464)
Domesticated cars are the best!

I prefer my cars to be feral, thankyouverymuch. ;)


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