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Jamesp 03-25-2015 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Topless (Post 441631)
Maybe have a shop scope the offending cylinder and see what's up. If it's just a valve spring it's a pretty easy fix. If a grenade went off in there then swap the motor and keep on driving. Lots of decent motors sitting at dismantlers still for not to much money. I'm not ready to dump the car yet.

Find a local indy shop with lots of 986 experience through your local PCA.

+1 or buy an inexpensive scope and do it yourself. If the piston is damaged or there is anything in the cylinder that should not be, the cost for repair is very likely more than the car is worth. something beat up that spark plug and it wasn't a non functional valve. Pulling the valve cover off is more work than just scoping the cylinder.

KRAM36 03-25-2015 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamesp (Post 441744)
+1 or buy an inexpensive scope and do it yourself. If the piston is damaged or there is anything in the cylinder that should not be, the cost for repair is very likely more than the car is worth. something beat up that spark plug and it wasn't a non functional valve. Pulling the valve cover off is more work than just scoping the cylinder.

That's way I'm saying pull the spark plug. If it looks like that he has bigger issues. If not then fixing it might be worth it.

Pdwight 03-25-2015 05:51 AM

15 grand for a special tool
 
I think you need to talk to someone else....drop the oil , remove the plugs.....it is not kryptonite ....it will not bite you ....jump in....what do you have to lose

healthservices 03-25-2015 07:40 AM

go to Harbor freight and get a borescope or if time is not an issue anymore ...
5M 6 LED Waterproof USB Borescope Snake Inspection Endoscope Tube Camera Mirror | eBay

Then pull the coil, plug, and take a peak.

Otherwise tow it down here, I would not mind playing with it. Give me 1700 and Ill do a straight R+R, of course thats not including parts or any add ons you want to do. I even have a inexpensive tow guy.

KRAM36 03-25-2015 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by healthservices (Post 441787)
go to Harbor freight and get a borescope or if time is not an issue anymore ...
5M 6 LED Waterproof USB Borescope Snake Inspection Endoscope Tube Camera Mirror | eBay

Then pull the coil, plug, and take a peak.

Otherwise tow it down here, I would not mind playing with it. Give me 1700 and Ill do a straight R+R, of course thats not including parts or any add ons you want to do. I even have a inexpensive tow guy.

What a champ! http://forums.evga.com/upfiles/smiley/thumbup1.gif

fab986 03-25-2015 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KRAM36 (Post 441737)
Pull the spark plug from from cylinder 4, since that's the cylinder the had no compression in your first post and see if it looks something like this.

While doing the diagnostic the shop removed and replaced all plugs with new plugs to rule-out any problems coming from the plugs. He didn't mentioned any major damages to the plugs except the following in his report: "R&R all spark plugs, found plugs to be carbon tracked"

particlewave 03-25-2015 10:17 AM

Everyone should have a borescope. Absolutely invaluable in situations like this (or about a million others).
I use mine all the time.

I also have that USB camera endoscope that healthservices linked above and it works just fine. It's a little more awkward to need to have your laptop with you to view the image, but not terribly inconvenient.

KRAM36 03-25-2015 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by fab986 (Post 441817)
While doing the diagnostic the shop removed and replaced all plugs with new plugs to rule-out any problems coming from the plugs. He didn't mentioned any major damages to the plugs except the following in his report: "R&R all spark plugs, found plugs to be carbon tracked"

I would say that's somewhat good news. Let healthservices have a crack at it if you have the funds.

BTW: I searched Harbor Freight for borescope and they didn't show one.

particlewave 03-25-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KRAM36 (Post 441829)
I would say that's somewhat good news. Let healthservices have a crack at it if you have the funds.

BTW: I searched Harbor Freight for borescope and they didn't show one.

Sometimes called an "inspection camera".

http://m.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html

KRAM36 03-25-2015 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 441834)

Thanks! Very cool, I want one just to play with it now lol.

Duquette5 03-25-2015 12:11 PM

Hmm this looks like it would be helpful...

Amazon.com: 16ft USB Waterproof Endoscope Borescope Inspection Camera: Camera & Photo

jpc763 03-25-2015 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KRAM36 (Post 441839)
Thanks! Very cool, I want one just to play with it now lol.

Don't forget the 20% off coupon you can get almost anywhere!

fab986 03-25-2015 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KRAM36 (Post 441829)
Let healthservices have a crack at it if you have the funds.

Sorry to ask but what is Healthservices (beside the obvious medical term)?

fab986 03-25-2015 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 441822)
Everyone should have a borescope. Absolutely invaluable in situations like this (or about a million others).
I use mine all the time.

I also have that USB camera endoscope that healthservices linked above and it works just fine. It's a little more awkward to need to have your laptop with you to view the image, but not terribly inconvenient.

Actually, I'm pretty disappointed and angry at the shop owner because when I asked him if he used a borescope too look into the cylinders to see if he could find any damage he told me that he didn't because it's too difficult and too deep on those cars. Is it really?

KRAM36 03-25-2015 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fab986 (Post 441851)
Sorry to ask but what is Healthservices (beside the obvious medical term)?

Healthservices is the person who if offering this help to you.

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Originally Posted by healthservices (Post 441787)
go to Harbor freight and get a borescope or if time is not an issue anymore ...
5M 6 LED Waterproof USB Borescope Snake Inspection Endoscope Tube Camera Mirror | eBay

Then pull the coil, plug, and take a peak.

Otherwise tow it down here, I would not mind playing with it. Give me 1700 and Ill do a straight R+R, of course thats not including parts or any add ons you want to do. I even have a inexpensive tow guy.


fab986 03-25-2015 01:06 PM

Quick question: Is it possible to remove the camshaft cover without taking the engine out of the car?

JFP in PA 03-25-2015 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fab986 (Post 441856)
Quick question: Is it possible to remove the camshaft cover without taking the engine out of the car?

Yes, but it is very tight and requires the use of special cam holding tools to prevent damaging the cams in the process.

BoxsterSteve 03-25-2015 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fab986 (Post 441854)
Actually, I'm pretty disappointed and angry at the shop owner because when I asked him if he used a borescope too look into the cylinders to see if he could find any damage he told me that he didn't because it's too difficult and too deep on those cars. Is it really?

Sounds like you need a new mechanic. Seriously, a boroscope is an almost-necessary tool for internal inspection and diagnosis.
His 27 hour labour quote likely includes engine removal and a total tear down. Sure beats using an inspection camera!?

fab986 03-25-2015 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KRAM36 (Post 441855)
Healthservices is the person who if offering this help to you.

Sorry KRAM36, this thread became so long I didn't even notice that Healthservices is a member and responded to one of the post.

fab986 03-25-2015 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by healthservices (Post 441787)
go to Harbor freight and get a borescope or if time is not an issue anymore ...
5M 6 LED Waterproof USB Borescope Snake Inspection Endoscope Tube Camera Mirror | eBay

Then pull the coil, plug, and take a peak.

Otherwise tow it down here, I would not mind playing with it. Give me 1700 and Ill do a straight R+R, of course thats not including parts or any add ons you want to do. I even have a inexpensive tow guy.

Thanks for the offer. I'm located in the Bay Area, where are you located?


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