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Jamesp 03-25-2015 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Topless (Post 441631)
Maybe have a shop scope the offending cylinder and see what's up. If it's just a valve spring it's a pretty easy fix. If a grenade went off in there then swap the motor and keep on driving. Lots of decent motors sitting at dismantlers still for not to much money. I'm not ready to dump the car yet.

Find a local indy shop with lots of 986 experience through your local PCA.

+1 or buy an inexpensive scope and do it yourself. If the piston is damaged or there is anything in the cylinder that should not be, the cost for repair is very likely more than the car is worth. something beat up that spark plug and it wasn't a non functional valve. Pulling the valve cover off is more work than just scoping the cylinder.

KRAM36 03-25-2015 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamesp (Post 441744)
+1 or buy an inexpensive scope and do it yourself. If the piston is damaged or there is anything in the cylinder that should not be, the cost for repair is very likely more than the car is worth. something beat up that spark plug and it wasn't a non functional valve. Pulling the valve cover off is more work than just scoping the cylinder.

That's way I'm saying pull the spark plug. If it looks like that he has bigger issues. If not then fixing it might be worth it.

Pdwight 03-25-2015 05:51 AM

15 grand for a special tool
 
I think you need to talk to someone else....drop the oil , remove the plugs.....it is not kryptonite ....it will not bite you ....jump in....what do you have to lose

healthservices 03-25-2015 07:40 AM

go to Harbor freight and get a borescope or if time is not an issue anymore ...
5M 6 LED Waterproof USB Borescope Snake Inspection Endoscope Tube Camera Mirror | eBay

Then pull the coil, plug, and take a peak.

Otherwise tow it down here, I would not mind playing with it. Give me 1700 and Ill do a straight R+R, of course thats not including parts or any add ons you want to do. I even have a inexpensive tow guy.

KRAM36 03-25-2015 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by healthservices (Post 441787)
go to Harbor freight and get a borescope or if time is not an issue anymore ...
5M 6 LED Waterproof USB Borescope Snake Inspection Endoscope Tube Camera Mirror | eBay

Then pull the coil, plug, and take a peak.

Otherwise tow it down here, I would not mind playing with it. Give me 1700 and Ill do a straight R+R, of course thats not including parts or any add ons you want to do. I even have a inexpensive tow guy.

What a champ! http://forums.evga.com/upfiles/smiley/thumbup1.gif

fab986 03-25-2015 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KRAM36 (Post 441737)
Pull the spark plug from from cylinder 4, since that's the cylinder the had no compression in your first post and see if it looks something like this.

While doing the diagnostic the shop removed and replaced all plugs with new plugs to rule-out any problems coming from the plugs. He didn't mentioned any major damages to the plugs except the following in his report: "R&R all spark plugs, found plugs to be carbon tracked"

particlewave 03-25-2015 10:17 AM

Everyone should have a borescope. Absolutely invaluable in situations like this (or about a million others).
I use mine all the time.

I also have that USB camera endoscope that healthservices linked above and it works just fine. It's a little more awkward to need to have your laptop with you to view the image, but not terribly inconvenient.

KRAM36 03-25-2015 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by fab986 (Post 441817)
While doing the diagnostic the shop removed and replaced all plugs with new plugs to rule-out any problems coming from the plugs. He didn't mentioned any major damages to the plugs except the following in his report: "R&R all spark plugs, found plugs to be carbon tracked"

I would say that's somewhat good news. Let healthservices have a crack at it if you have the funds.

BTW: I searched Harbor Freight for borescope and they didn't show one.

particlewave 03-25-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KRAM36 (Post 441829)
I would say that's somewhat good news. Let healthservices have a crack at it if you have the funds.

BTW: I searched Harbor Freight for borescope and they didn't show one.

Sometimes called an "inspection camera".

http://m.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html

KRAM36 03-25-2015 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 441834)

Thanks! Very cool, I want one just to play with it now lol.

Duquette5 03-25-2015 12:11 PM

Hmm this looks like it would be helpful...

Amazon.com: 16ft USB Waterproof Endoscope Borescope Inspection Camera: Camera & Photo

jpc763 03-25-2015 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KRAM36 (Post 441839)
Thanks! Very cool, I want one just to play with it now lol.

Don't forget the 20% off coupon you can get almost anywhere!

fab986 03-25-2015 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KRAM36 (Post 441829)
Let healthservices have a crack at it if you have the funds.

Sorry to ask but what is Healthservices (beside the obvious medical term)?

fab986 03-25-2015 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 441822)
Everyone should have a borescope. Absolutely invaluable in situations like this (or about a million others).
I use mine all the time.

I also have that USB camera endoscope that healthservices linked above and it works just fine. It's a little more awkward to need to have your laptop with you to view the image, but not terribly inconvenient.

Actually, I'm pretty disappointed and angry at the shop owner because when I asked him if he used a borescope too look into the cylinders to see if he could find any damage he told me that he didn't because it's too difficult and too deep on those cars. Is it really?

KRAM36 03-25-2015 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fab986 (Post 441851)
Sorry to ask but what is Healthservices (beside the obvious medical term)?

Healthservices is the person who if offering this help to you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by healthservices (Post 441787)
go to Harbor freight and get a borescope or if time is not an issue anymore ...
5M 6 LED Waterproof USB Borescope Snake Inspection Endoscope Tube Camera Mirror | eBay

Then pull the coil, plug, and take a peak.

Otherwise tow it down here, I would not mind playing with it. Give me 1700 and Ill do a straight R+R, of course thats not including parts or any add ons you want to do. I even have a inexpensive tow guy.


fab986 03-25-2015 01:06 PM

Quick question: Is it possible to remove the camshaft cover without taking the engine out of the car?

JFP in PA 03-25-2015 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fab986 (Post 441856)
Quick question: Is it possible to remove the camshaft cover without taking the engine out of the car?

Yes, but it is very tight and requires the use of special cam holding tools to prevent damaging the cams in the process.

BoxsterSteve 03-25-2015 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fab986 (Post 441854)
Actually, I'm pretty disappointed and angry at the shop owner because when I asked him if he used a borescope too look into the cylinders to see if he could find any damage he told me that he didn't because it's too difficult and too deep on those cars. Is it really?

Sounds like you need a new mechanic. Seriously, a boroscope is an almost-necessary tool for internal inspection and diagnosis.
His 27 hour labour quote likely includes engine removal and a total tear down. Sure beats using an inspection camera!?

fab986 03-25-2015 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KRAM36 (Post 441855)
Healthservices is the person who if offering this help to you.

Sorry KRAM36, this thread became so long I didn't even notice that Healthservices is a member and responded to one of the post.

fab986 03-25-2015 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by healthservices (Post 441787)
go to Harbor freight and get a borescope or if time is not an issue anymore ...
5M 6 LED Waterproof USB Borescope Snake Inspection Endoscope Tube Camera Mirror | eBay

Then pull the coil, plug, and take a peak.

Otherwise tow it down here, I would not mind playing with it. Give me 1700 and Ill do a straight R+R, of course thats not including parts or any add ons you want to do. I even have a inexpensive tow guy.

Thanks for the offer. I'm located in the Bay Area, where are you located?

BYprodriver 03-25-2015 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fab986 (Post 441854)
Actually, I'm pretty disappointed and angry at the shop owner because when I asked him if he used a borescope too look into the cylinders to see if he could find any damage he told me that he didn't because it's too difficult and too deep on those cars. Is it really?

No it is not. It's just as easy as removing the spark-plugs. $15,K tool must be the PIWIS Porsche diagnostic tool which you don't need to rebuild the engine either.
Your semi retired mechanic can't do anything more for you with possible exception of storing your Box until you decide it's next destination. You need someone that knows this engine to borescope it, then remove the camcover with engine installed to further the evaluation.

fab986 03-25-2015 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BYprodriver (Post 441863)
Your semi retired mechanic can't do anything more for you with possible exception of storing your Box until you decide it's next destination.

Actually, I got it towed back to my house this morning because he didn't even want me to leave it in his shop any longer. I think he's in a hurry of retiring and didn't want to deal with my car.

Pdwight 03-25-2015 04:25 PM

Im new to Boxsters
 
I have had mine for two glorious knuckle busting years....but I have to ask this question

What the heck is the $15,000.00 tool to take an engine apart

Gilles 03-25-2015 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kram36 (Post 441855)
healthservices is the person who if offering this help to you.

+ 1
... Lol

78F350 03-25-2015 04:53 PM

Harbor Freight inspection cam coupon. ...and a decent jack while you're at it. Print it up, or have them scan the image directly on a phone at the register.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1427331205.jpg

Jamesp 03-25-2015 06:00 PM

3.2 engine ebay $4500, installation $1700, incidentals $300 = $6500 back on the road. I'm thinking that's about as cheap as it gets.

KRAM36 03-25-2015 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamesp (Post 441904)
3.2 engine ebay $4500, installation $1700, incidentals $300 = $6500 back on the road. I'm thinking that's about as cheap as it gets.

Did you see this post?

Quote:

Originally Posted by healthservices (Post 441787)
go to Harbor freight and get a borescope or if time is not an issue anymore ...
5M 6 LED Waterproof USB Borescope Snake Inspection Endoscope Tube Camera Mirror | eBay

Then pull the coil, plug, and take a peak.

Otherwise tow it down here, I would not mind playing with it. Give me 1700 and Ill do a straight R+R, of course thats not including parts or any add ons you want to do. I even have a inexpensive tow guy.


Jake Raby 03-25-2015 07:38 PM

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$2,000 is what I thought Jake would give for a core, just like those guys, especially one that didn't actually blow.
I bought 60 cores in 5 months last year; because of that I am heavy on cores for everything except very late engines, and M97.21 cores. We just don't need it.

We only need cores if someone has a failed engine. We don't shelve engines and we build the customers engine. This isn't a core exchange/ mass production initiative, so a core doesn't mean much to us.

This year I have given huge incentives for elective builds, and its worked to change our program a bit. Last year we only saw 3 elective builds; this year we have already seen 6. I am tired of dealing with blown up stuff where the core is wasted.

KRAM36 03-25-2015 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake Raby (Post 441914)
I bought 60 cores in 5 months last year; because of that I am heavy on cores for everything except very late engines, and M97.21 cores. We just don't need it.

We only need cores if someone has a failed engine. We don't shelve engines and we build the customers engine. This isn't a core exchange/ mass production initiative, so a core doesn't mean much to us.

This year I have given huge incentives for elective builds, and its worked to change our program a bit. Last year we only saw 3 elective builds; this year we have already seen 6. I am tired of dealing with blown up stuff where the core is wasted.

You told me in one of my thread you could take my engine and turn it into a 4.0 with over 400 HP. I assumed (my mistake) you would want these cores that were not blown. The engine mod you told me would surely command a handsome price tag for you. I also thought you said you had a back log of people waiting for your engines.

healthservices 03-25-2015 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fab986 (Post 441862)
Thanks for the offer. I'm located in the Bay Area, where are you located?

Im in so-cal give me a zip code and I can PM you a est for a tow. Afterwards you can drive it back up.

fab986 03-26-2015 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by healthservices (Post 441927)
Im in so-cal give me a zip code and I can PM you a est for a tow. Afterwards you can drive it back up.

My ZIP code is 94553 Martinez, CA

Jake Raby 03-26-2015 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KRAM36 (Post 441917)
You told me in one of my thread you could take my engine and turn it into a 4.0 with over 400 HP. I assumed (my mistake) you would want these cores that were not blown. The engine mod you told me would surely command a handsome price tag for you. I also thought you said you had a back log of people waiting for your engines.


My current delivery time is April of 2016, so yes, I have a healthy backlog. Core engines are something that we only need when we deal with an engine that has failed; because we always reconstruct the customers engine. We do not do core swap ours, thats for the mass production guys; here we custom build.

My necessity for cores has decreased this year, as I am giving big incentives for elective big bore builds, and trying to fill the schedule with engines that have not failed. I am being very selective with failure build acceptance these days, since most of the time the engine is a total loss and that complicates everything. I hate variables, with elective builds we don't have any, with failures, there are no constants and its all variable.

In times past I have bought cores just to keep them away from circulation, and out of the hands of those who have tried to start an engine program. Today, those people, and their work, has taken many of them out of the equation with a self inflicted wound, so the cores are not as valuable to me as they once were.

Pdwight 03-26-2015 03:53 PM

4l 400 bhp
 
I cannot imagine that in my little car......but I sure would love to try it and see how it would fit.:cheers:

Jamesp 03-26-2015 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdwight (Post 442015)
I cannot imagine that in my little car......but I sure would love to try it and see how it would fit.:cheers:

With my little 3.2 pushing me to well, really fast on the on ramp I can't imagine what 4.0 would do.

KRAM36 03-27-2015 12:39 PM

With just the air intake upgrade I did, my Boxster it is currently at a point to where I can't drive it as fast as it could go due to the tires not being able to give enough grip.

Any 3.2 owner wanting more grunt should look into a full air intake upgrade, really wakes the engine up and sounds so much better. It's not just top end either, it's completely through the RPM range.

Pdwight 03-27-2015 01:35 PM

What system did you use
 
I would love to see actual Dyno numbers on that, I did a K&N on my E36 a few years ago and could not tell any difference except for the sound. Tell us more please.

KRAM36 03-27-2015 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdwight (Post 442148)
I would love to see actual Dyno numbers on that, I did a K&N on my E36 a few years ago and could not tell any difference except for the sound. Tell us more please.

I stared out with just thinking of the 987 air box upgrade.

http://986forum.com/forums/performance-technical-chat/32074-987-v-986-air-box.html

Then decided to go with the rest of the intake system.

http://986forum.com/forums/general-discussions/31693-maf-throttle-body-diameter.html

If you want to use the larger 987 MAF housing you have to get a tune or the car will run too lean. So I molded a 986 Maf Housing into the 987 MAF housing so I could just clip it onto the 987 air box like normal and used the honeycomb air straightener so the MAF sensor gets a more accurate reading. This also gives me the option to clip in a 987 MAF housing, run larger piping and get a tune down the road. I don't plan on doing that until I have done my exhaust upgrades.

987 air box with my 986 MAF housing clipped on.

http://i59.tinypic.com/11ka8ph.jpg

The 986 MAF housing molded into the 987 MAF housing.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2moqzxl.jpg

Honeycomb air straightener.

http://i60.tinypic.com/s2z720.jpg

Pdwight 03-27-2015 02:58 PM

Tune
 
I know we are headed off in a new direction on this thread....but this always seems to happen. For a tune can you do it with a Durametric ? , or could you disconnect the battery and then let the car re-learn the new larger throttle body ?

KRAM36 03-27-2015 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pdwight (Post 442159)
I know we are headed off in a new direction on this thread....but this always seems to happen. For a tune can you do it with a Durametric ? , or could you disconnect the battery and then let the car re-learn the new larger throttle body ?

You can not do a tune with a Durametric. The car can not compensate for the larger 987 MAF housing, no matter what without a tune. The car can and will adapt to the lager TB.

Pdwight 03-27-2015 03:13 PM

Tune options ?


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