This is what I meant when I said "That doesn't mean there aren't places where I speed". I'm lucky the locals don't patrol the main road I drive to work in the 33 yrs I've been using it. But once again, if I get a ticket for speeding, I deserve it.

And Gforrest2 - it's unlucky to be superstitious. ;)

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You can't extrapolate anything from that chart unless it is correlated to miles driven. I'm sure that the Veyron is at the bottom of the list too, but there aren't many of them and they sure aren't used for the daily commute.

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How much is the fine ? Any points ?
Here in Ontario that`s an 80km in a 50. 30 over, that`s a chunk of change and a few points and if it`s not your first. Well ol` Mr/Ms Insurance people get out the calculator.And if was in a marked school zone even if school wasn`t in...woah buddy.
We also have a law here called Stunt Driving which is speeding, racing or just being an idiot behind the wheel. Open wallet, remove license and hand over the keys on the spot no trial until later on maybe weeks. Cars impounded for 7 days. Ricer kids caused all of this.Saves lives though.

The law says if you go 50kph over - you run the risk of having your car impounded on the spot. Scares me - cause with the box, it's so easy to end up 50 over when passing. Really have to pay attention. It's not often I have to use the brakes on my DD when passing, so it's tough in the Box.

Well, since this study is, apparently way off, please show me something more accurate than, "Because, I say it is way off."

You're right. It lists those ticketed and the cars they drove.

Did I misread the title of the thread and discussion? I didn't see where the title changed to, "I was speeding and stopped, but the cop let me go cuz he thought my car was cool!" And I must have missed all the subsequent posts that said, "Yeah cops stop me all the time to tell me how cool, timeless, and classic my car is, and then compliment me on my driving skills once they see me - cuz they KNOW that only a skilled driver such as myself can clearly judge appropriate speed levels. We then launch into discourse about how the better cops know and understand that speed limits only apply to ricers and common folk who are too stupid to know how do drive as well as me - because I drive a Porsche 986."

Please accept my sincere apologies for not posting this type of study in a relevant thread that focused on getting a ticket, and all the crosses that Porsche owners bear because of the car they drive, and how they know better than everyone else about road speeds. ;)

It is not the driver it is the car, a cops main job is safety, and slowing down a civic that will under steer into oblivion or a f-350 that could plow through 3 houses is more important than slowing down one of the cars with the most active safety on the road.

Oh, again, I apologize. I wasn't aware that cops are taught about the physics of each and every car so that they know "under steer" and can pick it out within the few seconds they have of a car traveling at 55mph+. So glad you told me of this.

Oh yeah, I guess you also imply that all Porsche owners undergo a rigorous assessment to demonstrate their complete lack of asshattery, once behind the wheel, enabling them to get a free pass, unless in Cyprus.

First ticket
 

They will pull you over regardless, however, it is fairly disrespectful to assume that cops are not educated on the vehicles they are patrolling. Once they pull you over though, as well as attitude they do take into consideration this risk of you driving at speed in a capable sports car in comparison with something more dangerous. Think of how much more concerned a cop would be if a 2000 intrepid was going 90 with a trailer full of mattresses as apposed to a Boxster traveling the same speed, you may get a ticket regardless but chances are lower in the Boxster.

If I was a cop and pulled someone over with an attitude like yours - he's getting a ticket no matter what he's driving.

I'm all for enforcing laws for public safety, but I've seen way too many traffic stops focused on revenue generation. Pulling over cars going 15 over on an empty interstate seems to be much more common than pulling 15+ in residential areas.

In Colorado they had a long interstate that had a 2-3 mile section of 50 on a 75 mph interstate. There are like 2 empty shacks. CHP hides behind 1. Total a$$ hole about it if you call it a revenue building corridor.

It's not disrespect; I just think (hope) that the education and training that officers receive focus more on other things than on car knowledge - like being able to spot a potential drunk driver or someone weaving, etc.

I mean, wasn't your point earlier that it is the driver and not the car that earns a ticket. Besides, how did we go from Honda civic to a Intrepid doing 90 while towing while the Porsche remains a Porsche? Did I miss the part about the Honda towing something? And now your suggesting cops should also know/do know the year of a vehicle? Out of curiosity, what ARE the things that we should know about a 2000 intrepid? Is that model year, compared to the others, less capable of doing 90 while towing mattresses?

Well, good for you! :o

:cheers:

This conversation is getting a little off topic. It doesn't matter what youre driving, only how youre driving it. And you can say all you want how crappy cars will have people with drugs and warrants in them and occasionally youd be correct, but if you wanted to run a whole bunch of dope and youre a drug lord, would you put a car with busted tail lights and sketchy dudes in it? Nope, they can and will put them in modern lexuses with all kinds of people you'd never expect in them. Theres a thousand things we are looking for when we make traffic stops and there's no guaranteed method of success. Bottom line, if you dont want to be stopped then operate your vehicle in accordance with the law. If I stop you for speed, and thats the only issue and your attitude reflects you have made a mistake and are sorry, for me thats a warning, no matter what you are driving. If youre driving like a jag and you act like one too, doesn't matter what you got stopped for, youve earned the ticket for being disrespectful and wasting my time. A lot of nice people still get speeding tickets. They all knew what they were doing and knew the consequences yet it is always someone's fault not their own when they get the ticket.

You have had you license for how many months now?

First ticket
 

I can't drive after 8 until next month, no hiding of that, however, it does seem I was not clear, I by no means ment that the drivers of these busted up cars or such are less likely to be respectful or anything else, but what I personally have heard is that cops tend to be more lenient based on how much of a threat the vehicle you are In poses to others. A tractor trailer traveling at high speeds is quite a threat to all motorist around, while an accord going the same speed is less threatening to other motorist. Can be the exact same driver or kind of driver between the two cars, in the case I personally had an suv, I would be much more accepting of a ticket in the suv under same conditions and unlawful driving then doing the same in the boxster. However, either way, I am pretty excepting that the law is the law and under no circumstance are you entitled a warning or reduction, however, I would be more expecting of a ticket in the case I was driving an SUV.

Seriously:
http://faculty.washington.edu/heagerty/Courses/b572/public/StrunkWhite.pdf

Your credibility will rise, once you grasp some basics. Also, you use too many qualifiers.

Out of curiosity, what and from whom do you hear things?

Word on the forum, at car meets, and from a man with personal experience of being stopped multiple times in a Lamborghini and only ticketed when he had an offense other than speeding.

Wow. This thread kinda exploded. For the people concerned with me doing 50 for half a block in a residential area, it wasn't a residential area. For the people concerned with me calling a cop a jerk because I got a ticket, he wasn't a jerk because I got a ticket. He was a jerk for giving me an excuse as to why he had to give me a ticket. If I deserve a ticket, give me a ticket and I'll accept it with a smile on my face and a, "Thank you officer and have a safe day." But maybe that's just me.

Now carry on. I want to hear more about this Intrepid, towing the mattresses.

Any time.

People of means driving nicer cars are typically in a better position financially to hire lawyers to have tickets dismissed and are generally more knowledgable about traffic courts than a younger driver of lower means and less knowledge. And I'm sure the police are more likely to cut a businessman with a clean driving record a break than a high school kid out to do his best impersonation of Justin Beiber behind the wheel. Point being this study doesn't accurately reflect the probability (as a % of those cars on the road) of a driver getting followed and stopped. And it also might lead one to forget the obvious: that as a % of the motoring population, there simply aren't that many Porsche on the road to begin with.

I was wondering if this was the case and if it was, when it was going to come out.

Everyone assumed the worst, and no one even asked for clarification before blasting the OP.

Just sayin'..........

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The OP set it up by stating he was pulled over in front of his house and it was a 30 zone. Unfortunately, those two combined tend to imply 'residential zone'. Besides....it's still 20 MPH over the limit, which is pretty fast in a non-residential residential zone.

And also - from what I understand the 'study' was simply asking people if they ever got a ticket and what they were driving (vehilce) at the time. This 'study' doesn't come from any law enforcement data - simply anecdotes told by people.
So many variables involved in this that I'm not sure how much stock should be put in it.

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Yes, yes. But regardless of your opinions and poking at this study... I still await PL or Giller to produce a competing study. I mean (Giller), your complaint is that the posted study just asked people - how is your statement any different than the people asked it the study? Flawed as it may be, you haven't provided anything to back your position up. "That's just like your opinion, man." Just sayin.

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*Awaiting your references....*

A study is defined as "a detailed investigation and analysis of a subject or situation". There is no analysis in this. It is not a 'study' - it is an observation. There is no scientific backing of this other than picking up the phone and calling people. It is also not a detailed investigation. All it is is some general observations based on some sketchy data. As for an actual 'study' with analysis:
Full List: Cars Most Likely To Get A Ticket - Forbes
They actually use traffic DATA from insurance companies. Is it a perfect study - no. Certainly more accurate than previous one. Did you author that study? It sure seems to have gotten your knickers in a knot all these people disagreeing with it.
Sorry if we hurt your genius feelings.

Giller you are correct. It's a survey, and Cfos was trying to use it to further some point about Porsche drivers and their interactions with law enforcement. I think a study of supermarket data regarding favorite ice cream flavor would have carried more weight. Then he challenged us to produce something to contradict this survey as if his quoted survey was something beyond anecdote (rife with problems). His challenge is asking us to say "I see you one opinion survey and raise you a bigger opinion survey".

Then he posts a picture of a drag queen which is a total non sequitur.

As a causal observer, cfos, sure seems like one bitter individual. For some reason.

On a different note, if I'm speeding and get a ticket I wouldn't say a word because I would know I deserved it.

Oh, thank you for your opinion. However, I don't really find myself to be bitter - but carry on with whatever you believe. Much like Jake and spellin' & grammah, you will never get through to me. :rolleyes:

But I digress, what I was merely asking for was PL or Giller to back up their assumptions with... something other than attitude.

I admitted that what I cited may not be accurate. Which is fine. Giller's post is from 2010. Maybe there really isn't anything out there on the topic.

But, in explanation of my actions, I thought I might make an example of how I perceived their behavior. Having been to parts of Canada, I fell in love with the Couche Owl, and having been to NJ, I'm aware of the prevalence of orange people. Does that mean that these are the dominate gas stations and people of both areas? I dunno. Could be, but that's just my opinion, backed by Google:

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After asking again and again, Giller provided a valid critique and did post something, yet I still don't see any Porsches on this "better" study. So, again, I do not believe this Porsche profiling to exist as much as others would lead us to believe. I also like to think that people should drive responsibly - and that's the real tragedy. Compare the posts that raise alarm over 20 mph over a limit in a residential zone to, " damn Porsche get so many tickets and I feel your pain and don't cops know we are great drivers with well-built cars who know what we are doing." Ok, maybe that is a slight exaggeration. ;)

Grammar is not the only reflector of maturity.

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I got bored after looking at the first 3. Talk about not-user friendly! You had to download a new page for each car ranked. They could have included a summary chart, but of course then you wouldn't need to look at a zillion Forbes pages :mad:.

Nice try. I made no assumptions, thus there was no need to "back them up".
I related my experiences with the police in car A vs. car B. Another forum member added that he experienced similar in his region of the country.
He also did not have to "back up" his experience. Your experience is your experience.

Then you came along and inferred that I was making an argument about the broader pool of Porsche drivers by posting a link to a survey that casts a wider net than my own region (or Husker's). Unsurprisingly, more than one person decided to point out to you that your Google search result link was not at all a study or driven by official data. Did all the survey respondents "back up" their experience? Otherwise you wouldn't have posted it, right? You see what you did there?

So not only did you invent an argument, that no one was making, you decided to argue against it with not very good "back up".
However you did establish that you like posting pictures when attempting to make your points.
But in your defense, at least it makes your invented arguments more amusing.

Yeah, there really is scant information on the net about this. Obviously not a hot topic out there. Also, would imagine the information is so spread out, it would take quite a bit of time to complile all the data?

See below if you don not want the Forbes click bait version.
There's also a second list as well: Least likely to be tickted according to their analysis.

Auto Insurance Analysis Does What We Drive Affect How We Drive

Interesting to note, four of the top 10 cars in their 2009-2010 analysis were German. While on the 10 least likely to be ticketed there weren't any German cars.
Meanwhile 2 American cars were on the most likely list, 7 American cars on the least likely list.

First list is mostly all coupes and sedans whereas the second list is mostly all SUV and minivan. Interesting, although not surprising when one thinks about it.

What I glean from this whole topic - Speeders tend to drive fast, sporty cars....but just because you drive a fast, sporty car, that does not make you a speeder.

No assumptions...? Huh. You mean this wasn't you?

Ok. I didn't know that you refer to yourself as being "people". And Police is singular. And you authored the policies on how police ticket people or let them go.

But you are right, right? I do like to invent arguments and I do find them (and myself) amusing. I mean, what else is the internet for? Seriously -- look at how many hits this thread gets. Pure entertainment.

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Jake, I am pleased to say that I agree with this post, and with your opinion. Although, your "I'm-a-hipster-who-drives-a-Porsche-so-buy-me-a-Volvo" thread, and effort, is still fresh in my head, so, before I take your $0.02, I probably should scan the internet to see who is sponsoring said $0.02, and convince said person that the money should go to Cyprus. Would hate to accept it, only to have to give it back to someone else with a more worthy cause. :p

Hey, I'm still kind of craving one of those Volvos! I have shifted interest to an Alfa Romeo and a gal I know now though; both of these are very expensive, so I have actually been putting in a few applications.

Nice post though, made me laugh.