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rp17 · 07-12-2014, 07:39 AM

Ran across this new Challenger Hellcat. Putting out some outrageous HP numbers. 707 HP

They really need to work on the suspension ofcourse. But very impressive.

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Slate 01 · 07-12-2014, 07:55 AM

Just wait for the Challenger Hello Kitty, if you think the the Hellcat is awesome

BIGJake111 · 07-12-2014, 10:02 AM

I wonder if the carbon fiber is still fake

rp17 · 07-12-2014, 08:42 PM

As the saying goes...you cant buy happiness but you can but horse power and thats kinda the same thing. Im surprised at these numbers they keep squeaking out.

@jake You might find some Boxsters with the fake carbon fiber. Its everywhere.

thstone · 07-13-2014, 06:56 AM

While these kinds of numbers are truly impressive (700hp+!!!!), the horsepower wars are just about over. What's next - 1000hp? 1200? At some point it starts to become a marketing number.

In my experience, 400-450hp is about the max you can use on the street and even this will put you well into "going-to-jail-speeds" (at least here in California) if you simply wind out third gear.

And even if you took it to the track, what's the point of passing other cars with 300, 400, or even 500 less horsepower?

Top_Ramen · 07-13-2014, 07:34 AM

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In my experience, 400-450hp is about the max you can use on the street and even this will put you well into "going-to-jail-speeds" (at least here in California) if you simply wind out third gear.

These guys don't seem to think so./lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBc3yM1D6Wk

thstone · 07-13-2014, 07:52 PM

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These guys don't seem to think so./lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBc3yM1D6Wk

Definitely hitting some "going-to-jail-speeds"!

Pdwight · 07-13-2014, 09:44 PM

If I had the money and I wanted a killer car I would buy a Nismo GTR...you would have to spend 200 grand or better to top that car....From with I have read the Super Snake is a death trap waiting to happen...too much HP and a live axle ??!!!

rp17 · 07-14-2014, 10:23 AM

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If I had the money and I wanted a killer car I would buy a Nismo GTR

Godzilla is a fine mobile. That car is truly impressive.

BYprodriver · 07-14-2014, 11:48 AM

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If I had the money and I wanted a killer car I would buy a Nismo GTR...you would have to spend 200 grand or better to top that car....From with I have read the Super Snake is a death trap waiting to happen...too much HP and a live axle ??!!!

Better join another forum 1st! From what I hear unless you love driving by wire, (virally) you will soon become bored riding in a GTR while the car drives itself.

rp17 · 07-14-2014, 10:50 AM

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Definitely hitting some "going-to-jail-speeds"!

The guy on the bike gets my vote for the biggest cahunas in the group. I maybe still fresh from my situation but if someone blew a tire, and swerved, what would happen to him?

jb92563 · 07-14-2014, 08:46 AM

Having all that power and not being able to stick down to the road is a waste.

Sure you can make a lot of smoke and chew up tires, but that is only fun until you need to buy more tires.

A rocket sled is fast in a straight line too, but a boring uncomfortable experience at best.

Sorry folks but we bought Boxsters to do cornering and turning with the top down and the wind blowing through our hair, way more fun!

Pdwight · 07-14-2014, 08:53 AM

Well put jb

Top_Ramen · 07-13-2014, 07:22 AM

Not a big mopar fan, but this car I like very much. My inner drag racer is absolutely drooling over this car. On top the numbers it's putting down and quality parts on the car, rumours are that the car will be selling for around $80k which is not bad at all.

BIGJake111 · 07-13-2014, 09:32 AM

I mean yes the numbers are impressive, however it is not that hard to simply make a ton of horsepower. It is way harder to make a good car though. If I happened to want a car like this I would go with AMG though.

BYprodriver · 07-13-2014, 09:53 AM

[QUOTE=rp17;409671]Ran across this new Challenger Hellcat. Putting out some outrageous HP numbers. 707 HP

They really need to work on the suspension ofcourse. But very impressive.

Awesome car! Don't forget the Shelby Super Snake 1000 HP

RandallNeighbour · 07-14-2014, 08:58 AM

For some reason this thread reminds me of a conversation with the wife over paying wads of extra money for high thread count sheets for the bed. They're coming out with crazy numbers that either aren't accurate or aren't worth the effort.

Give me a really well engineered sports car with half the HP of the top motors and I'll be happy as a clam.

rp17 · 07-14-2014, 10:30 AM

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Give me a really well engineered sports car with half the HP of the top motors and I'll be happy as a clam.

I'm sure all of us Boxster owners feel this. Reason we bought this car so I agree. I just get caught up on how much trouble it is to get some serious HP out of the M96, then you hear about about this Hellcat. I don't want 707 but I would take half in the Box for a REASONABLE price. :ah:

Just hate the HP game Porshe plays with us that's all. For example, I hate what GM for example, does with there cars. Back in the day, the best technology would never make it to Chevy or Pontiac for example. It would go to the Cadillac even if it was a Chevy engineer that came up with it. But I guess I can understand. :ah:

thstone · 07-14-2014, 11:30 AM

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I don't want 707 but I would take half in the Box for a REASONABLE price. ... Just hate the HP game Porshe plays with us that's all.

I'm with you on this! And while I appreciate the effort that Porsche is putting forth with the Cayman GT-4, $100K for a 400hp mid-engine sports car isn't quite the revolution that I was hoping for.

BYprodriver · 07-14-2014, 12:30 PM

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I'm sure all of us Boxster owners feel this. Reason we bought this car so I agree. I just get caught up on how much trouble it is to get some serious HP out of the M96, then you hear about about this Hellcat. I don't want 707 but I would take half in the Box for a REASONABLE price. :ah:

Just hate the HP game Porshe plays with us that's all. For example, I hate what GM for example, does with there cars. Back in the day, the best technology would never make it to Chevy or Pontiac for example. It would go to the Cadillac even if it was a Chevy engineer that came up with it. But I guess I can understand. :ah:

Not sure what "days" you are referring to. In 1954 "ish" a Pontiac engineer invented the individual stud mounted rocker arm with ball pivot. This increased valvetrain rpm limitations. I believe Chevy used them on their engines in 1955-present. About 1964 Malcom McKeller designed the Pontiac exclusive, overhead cam straight six engine as directed by John Delorean who wanted a economical engine with good power for their new economy car, the Tempest.

The only example I can think of is the Cadillac Northstar engine 4.6L 300HP 1994? Oldsmobile was allowed to use the engine for it's new Aurora a few years later but was limited to 4.0L & 250 HP. In 1997 Olds had a contract with Shelby American to build the Shelby Series 1 to be sold in Oldsmobile dealer showrooms. (Not your Fathers Oldsmobile) We had to use the 4.0 version engine. Power could be increased but C.I.D was limited to 4.0L. Custom cams, exhaust headers & PCM by Delco raised power to 327HP. We could use just about any GM suspension parts except for the recently introduced C5 Corvette.