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ekam 05-18-2014 10:29 AM

When did two-seat sports cars stop being manly?
 
When Did Two-Seat Sports Cars Stop Being Manly? - Avoidable Contact - Road & Track

RedTele58 05-18-2014 10:51 AM

When they started wrapping them in hot fluorescent pink wheels... :D

jsceash 05-18-2014 11:19 AM

When they stopped sounding like sports cars, and when there are more automatic made than sticks.

Perfectlap 05-18-2014 11:43 AM

When Mazda figured out how to make a two seater with an automatic transmission and low maintenace requirements. <---- chick car defined.

Today the ultimate chick car is the Range Rover. Or whatever SUV the lady's budget can accomodate.

Also, the author replied to that woman that the Miata was the winningest car in SCCA history. A better reply would have been the Miata is by far the most commonly found car at any track day or autocross from LA to NY. It is the perfect car for motorsports, you can use all of the power all of the time without ending up teets up and unlike German sports cars, the engines can rev high without breaking or requiring costly rebuilds as a regular part of long-term maintenance. I often wonder why one of the Japanese car makers didn't simply clone the Boxster outright and offer it half the price. Instead we got some cars that were close but not really the same. Either too small, an engine that ran a bit too much like regular car at the low end, or had the engine in the wrong place.

BIGJake111 05-18-2014 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap (Post 400870)
When Mazda figured out how to make a two seater with an automatic transmission and low maintenace requirements. <---- chick car defined.

Today the ultimate chick car is the Range Rover. Or whatever SUV the lady's budget can accomodate.

Also, the author replied to that woman that the Miata was the winningest car in SCCA history. A better reply would have been the Miata is by far the most commonly found car at any track day or autocross from LA to NY. It is the perfect car for motorsports, you can use all of the power all of the time without ending up teets up and unlike German sports cars, the engines can rev high without breaking or requiring costly rebuilds as a regular part of long-term maintenance. I often wonder why one of the Japanese car makers didn't simply clone the Boxster outright and offer it half the price. Instead we got some cars that were close but not really the same. Either too small, an engine that ran a bit too much like regular car at the low end, or had the engine in the wrong place.

True, aside from the s2k which you still had to rev out the butt, i feel that the eastern manufactures missed a great chance. Maybe a baby nsx would work well. Toyota has proven they can make good cars despite the fact i still have no draw to the gt86 or any lexus with an f in its name, however im sure they could spit out something nice, besides isn't it toyota that is beating the 919 and the audis both?

Ian c 05-18-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RedTele58 (Post 400861)
When they started wrapping them in hot fluorescent pink wheels... :D

No , that's hairdressers .
After all , it was seen outside a salon :rolleyes:

healthservices 05-18-2014 02:01 PM

When they allowed women drive them!



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JayG 05-18-2014 02:22 PM

No problem them being girl cars. Got the Boxster for my wife and she wont drive it, so I get to. Her loss, my gain

BIGJake111 05-18-2014 02:26 PM

They stopped being men's cars when men stopped being men and what other people thought began to matter to them, hence your still a guy unless you drive a lifted 250 that blows smoke out the back. Because whenever that "guy" brags about his anatomy that is all he is doing, blowing smoke.

All this aside I think Porsches come best in his and hers pairs.


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Ian c 05-18-2014 02:29 PM

Some would say they got diluted when they added water .....

Ian c 05-18-2014 02:31 PM

And in answer to the original question .
I'd say round about the time the Internet became popular ....

thstone 05-18-2014 04:05 PM

When they gave the 986 a cutesy, fun, play-on-words, oh-so-friendly nickname like .... Boxster. :barf:

From that moment, the 986 was doomed to be a chick car .

thstone 05-18-2014 04:07 PM

Here is the Chick Car Index;

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...ps53bc3030.jpg

Read the whole report at: Chick Cars: The Scientific Report. | Grasping for Objectivity

Perfectlap 05-18-2014 04:16 PM

^I call BS on any manual transmission car on that list. LOL.

Even though that person spelled Boxster wrong I have to agree on the 90's MOooostang.
That was every high school girl's dream in 1990 America. By 1999 it was Cherokee LTD.

BIGJake111 05-18-2014 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by thstone (Post 400915)

Trucks need to be significantly higher and the 90s mustang lower, i don't know a single girl that drives a 90s mustang while i know several with 05 to newer. In general females dont like 90s anything, that is how we win back the boxster, girls tend to like new shiny things. However, seriously the trucks need to be way higher up, the truck split is nearly 40/60. As well as the charger, i know a many a female that drive a charger over an accord in a trade out for sportiness over quality.

Ian c 05-18-2014 04:34 PM

Where's the frickin Prius ?
Every day I have to slow down to 75 as some doddering do-gooder hogs the lanes .
Electric cars should be outlawed from the road whilst I'm commuting to work and back .

JayG 05-18-2014 05:07 PM

I would not call a Tesla Roadster a chick car or for that matter the Tesla Sedan either
And both of them are incredibly fast

BIGJake111 05-18-2014 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian c (Post 400925)
Where's the frickin Prius ?
Every day I have to slow down to 75 as some doddering do-gooder hogs the lanes .
Electric cars should be outlawed from the road whilst I'm commuting to work and back .

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Ian c 05-18-2014 05:32 PM

Although the only tesla roadster I've seen on the road was driven by a female , my commute is at 5:30am and 3:00pm on the 405 .
Pickups and Prius .... Every time ... Guaranteed .
And I've never seen a 918 on the road . Yet .

Tucker2 05-18-2014 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JayG (Post 400901)
No problem them being girl cars. Got the Boxster for my wife and she wont drive it, so I get to. Her loss, my gain

*Exactly* the same for me!!! LOL.

Ian c 05-18-2014 05:42 PM

Why won't they drive them ?
What secret mods did you do to make them undriveable that one time ?
I've tried everything upto now .
It's riding on the bumps stops as we speak

coreseller 05-19-2014 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by thstone (Post 400915)

I gotta say, that chart is indeed bang on. My daughter wanted a Beetle sooo bad, my nickel my choice so it was a Civic.

Coincidentally, at yesterday's auto cross event a relatively stock looking MazdaSpeed Miata that he drove there came in second behind a tricked out / stripped out trailered Corvette. Tossing the living crap out of my Miata on the autocross course is great fun, can't recommend them enough.

rdass623 05-19-2014 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by coreseller (Post 401043)
I gotta say, that chart is indeed bang on. My daughter wanted a Beetle sooo bad, my nickel my choice so it was a Civic.

Coincidentally, at yesterday's auto cross event a relatively stock looking MazdaSpeed Miata that he drove there came in second behind a tricked out / stripped out trailered Corvette. Tossing the living crap out of my Miata on the autocross course is great fun, can't recommend them enough.

wouldn't it be cool to push a 200 hp, 2300# car through the cones? yes it is, it's a Miata with a blower..

coreseller 05-19-2014 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rdass623 (Post 401044)
wouldn't it be cool to push a 200 hp, 2300# car through the cones? yes it is, it's a Miata with a blower..

That along with VERY reasonable costs. I recently went through everything on my 64k mile '99 NB to start with a solid baseline, Items I dealt with;

-New Mishimoto Aluminum Radiator / Cap / Thermostat
-New Coolant
-New Centric Brake Rotors F & R
-New Hawk Pads
-New Mazda Timing Belt / Idlers / Water Pump / Cam and Crank Seals
-New Accessory Belts
-All New Mazda Rubber Hoses
-New NGK Plugs and Wires
-New Trans and Diff Fluids
-Some other small items

Granted I did all of the work myself which was pretty easy with Keith Tanner's book but all in for parts was ~ $800. Good Luck doing that with a Porsche.

bglz42 05-19-2014 12:21 PM

Whoever put that chart together was not in Texas. The national chick car of Texas is the Ford F150... hands down...

Perfectlap 05-19-2014 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian c (Post 400936)
Although the only tesla roadster I've seen on the road was driven by a female , my commute is at 5:30am and 3:00pm on the 405 .
Pickups and Prius .... Every time ... Guaranteed .
And I've never seen a 918 on the road . Yet .

I have a dude in my neighbohrhood who commutes in a Model S. I'm usually on my track bike when I see him but we must have similar schedules, because I see him merge onto the highway a few times a week. That car hauls tail like nothing else on the road during those hours. It shames many a dinosaur fuel car that tries to block it from merging. People here can be real arse holes at that hour but if that car has even the slightest gap it will get there lickety split. Meanwhile with unrelenting traffic flow, the dino fuel cars can sit there waiting and waiting for a gap to open up for an eternity.
The 918 laptime under 7:00 made perfect sense to me...

JayG 05-19-2014 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian c (Post 400939)
Why won't they drive them ?
What secret mods did you do to make them undriveable that one time ?
I've tried everything upto now .
It's riding on the bumps stops as we speak

Told her that she needs to shift at high rpm or she will break the car and it needs to be driven hard
Now she is afraid to drive it

JayG 05-19-2014 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap (Post 401058)
I have a dude in my neighbohrhood who commutes in a Model S. I'm usually on my track bike when I see him but we must have similar schedules, because I see him merge onto the highway a few times a week. That car hauls tail like nothing else on the road during those hours. It shames many a dinosaur fuel car that tries to block it from merging. People here can be real arse holes at that hour but if that car has even the slightest gap it will get there lickety split. Meanwhile with unrelenting traffic flow, the dino fuel cars can sit there waiting and waiting for a gap to open up for an eternity.
The 918 laptime under 7:00 made perfect sense to me...


Electric motor = instant torque. Also with the computer checking each wheel all the time, it can make micro adjustments to each wheel to put maximum power without any wheels spin. I have driven the roadster and it's scary fast and silent. Faster than the Lotus it is based on

Perfectlap 05-19-2014 01:30 PM

^ I think electric cars will soon be making all the gas guzzlers look like the slow pokes. The tech will open up to cars that more aggresive drivers gravitate towards and not just the mild-mannered Prius or Leaf commuter.
When Tesla has a full line up in a price spectrum that can be cross-shopped with the commonly found A4's, 3 series, C class, Acura, Lexus IS and similar, we're going to see a big change in the mindset of car buyers. Tesla have the lowest price ber kilowat-hour firmly in the bag with demand in many more categories than high end touring.

BIGJake111 05-19-2014 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap (Post 401067)
^ I think electric cars will soon be making all the gas guzzlers look like the slow pokes. The tech will open up to cars that more aggresive drivers gravitate towards and not just the mild-mannered Prius or Leaf commuter.
When Tesla has a full line up in a price spectrum that can be cross-shopped with the commonly found A4's, 3 series, C class, Acura, Lexus IS and similar, we're going to see a big change in the mindset of car buyers. Tesla have the lowest price ber kilowat-hour firmly in the bag with demand in many more categories than high end touring.

As much as i love NA cars, i prefer electric to turbo anyday, i wish we could just go back in time to really light low hp cars that are still fun as can be. People just care too much about the numbers these days, forcing companies to turbo charge to keep HP going up, why not downsize, loose some HP, loose some weight, and get better gas mileage all at once. End result is a better car.

BFeller 05-19-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bglz42 (Post 401052)
Whoever put that chart together was not in Texas. The national chick car of Texas is the Ford F150... hands down...

Aww crap. I own a Boxster and an F150. :eek:

bglz42 05-19-2014 05:37 PM

Bfeller, no offense meant! I like the F150 a lot... And I also own a Fiat 500 and a Dodge 3500 so I am all screwed up! LOL!

Perfectlap 05-19-2014 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BFeller (Post 401104)
Aww crap. I own a Boxster and an F150. :eek:

After owning this car for over 10 years I could count on the fingers of one hand at the number of times I've seen a chick driving a Boxster. Around here at least I've easily seen more women driving Carreras, usually Cabs.
Ditto for the F150. I'd be impressed if I saw a girl driving one of those. This guy who whipped up this chart must be from some part of the country I've never been to.

But this chart may reveal a bit of a pre-existing bias.

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BFeller 05-20-2014 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bglz42 (Post 401105)
Bfeller, no offense meant! I like the F150 a lot... And I also own a Fiat 500 and a Dodge 3500 so I am all screwed up! LOL!

No offense taken - my response was in jest.

Overall, I think the choices on that list were probably true. Sure, in some rural areas, women are going to like trucks. But not in places like LA or NYNY. To me, the only transportation item that can be labeled for women is a bicycle. But plenty of women can and do ride the men's style bikes.


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