I wish that VW had followed through with the GX3 concept. That would have been a very cool vehicle at an amazingly affordable price.

"We've decided not a build a roadster below the Boxster, [and] we will not offer an SUV below the Macan because it will not be a perfect fit... We found that we would be irritating our current customers." - Bernhard Maier - Porsche AG Board Member for Global Sales and Marketing

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source: Porsche Panorama 684 - March 2014

I hate to be a snob, but damn right--good choice. Sounds like a Porsche vs VW scrimmage match went down, and the bureaucrats lost. Maybe some things are still sacred.

...I actually hoped that PORSCHE would take over VOLKSWAGEN, BUT... wishing ain't gettin...

so we will see, what happens. I bet, if we are going to see an entry class PORSCHE below 40k, we definately won't see any Volkswagen or Audi competitor in that range anymore.

Is PORSCHE to become the new VOLKSWAGEN? :D

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BTW: Look at the brakes...they could have done the photomontage a little bit better :D

that looks fantastic.

No, not only mistake, just the one that stood out to me the most. Anyway, I'm trying to understand what you said before the blah blah blah.

You said that "with brand devaluation, i would never have been interested..." -- ok, so what I take this to mean is that you have no free will, just follow trends and other people's input. Ok, so be it. To be honest, "value" is flexible and only determined by the amount person x will pay for something. We had to pay above asking to secure a house. Was it worth it? I dunno. We are happy (even with having to replace 2 water heaters, furnace repairs, yada yada yada) and not everything in life needs to balance in life. Being happy, is something I've paid for in the past and will overpay in the future. What else are you going to do with money?

You go on to say, "... the number of times that the boxster has been rated best roadster and has been on car and drivers top 10 list is what i care about..." -- so, if you are the example of a typical boxster buyer -- I think you already proved what I was saying earlier -- that a hypothetical concept car isn't going to devalue the boxster to the buyer or seller. Ok.

Finally, you close with, "I really like the Macan, because it is best in class, all i am really after is Porsche being the best in this and the best in that, because i think it is safe to say that we all enjoy to associate with things considered as the best." Now, here I disagree. I think it's nice that other people think it's best in class, but I'm more about making decisions based on my own opinions based on experience, research, and personal taste. Today, I dropped off my car for an oil change and was given a 2014 Panamera 4 to tool around town with (of course, only 50 miles of gas in the tank, but that's ok, I'm used to it). Lots of neat features, and I couldn't tell you whether it is best in anything, because I simply don't like the styling. So, if it is best in anything, it still won't be the car I buy. Also, it won't affect how I feel about my current car. But that's me. :cool:

You know, I think we are in agreement. Each time I bought a Porsche (3x), I've bought new. I don't know that I find myself complaining about future cars. As for the GT3, I couldn't care less. I did see a 911(50) at the dealership, and I did like it. But GT3? Meh. I'm not a race car driver, nor do I have the desire to be one. So go ahead, Porsche and other enthusiasts, build and modify whatever the F you want and charge whatever the F you want. I am under no condition to buy something to impress my neighbors.

Again, we agree. People do "opine". Now you've heard mine. I'm just trying to understand why people hold these particular opinions. I mean, this is a car forum full of people driving a previous generation of a particular model. Everyone seems overjoyed with their car, so why care about a car that may or may not be made? It doesn't appear to affect one's joy (or misfortune) with their own car, right? If this new concept is made and makes profit for the company, and they make new models... maybe, in 2016 something will roll off that you'll buy, in 2020, or sometime after depreciation satisfies your preconditions -- not that there is anything wrong with that. I just don't get it, but at least we agree.:p

Have yet to read anything past this, and it is because I did not like what Chevy or Caddie was. Has nothing to do with what others think. However, my opinion is influenced by those educated enough to have driven the cars and competitors to compare, hence why i like the new Cadillacs and they welcome me to the older bits of the brand is because of the opinion many journalist have on the new Cadillacs. If i think the dodge neon and any other dodge ever made is disgusting it is up to me and makes me care a good bit less for classic chargers and such. However on the contrary if dodge was to produce something I really cared for then i may grow some interest.

With the rest of your post, all good points :cheers:. I just see my car as a Porsche as apposed to a boxster, and i see any other Porsche as a Porsche and not a whatever it may be, because of this i just hope the best for any model they produce. You can not say we are not all giddy over having the fastest lap ever around the ring as well as the fastest production lap under our name plate.

Gotta admit. Ghia Rat Rods ARE cool. :)

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Just sayin'............

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Looks like a Boxster to me.

More info on the proposed 718 coming in 2016...

New Entry-Level Porsche Roadster Dubbed 718 Green Lighted for 2016

2016 Porsche 718 | car review @ Top Speed

These pics appear to be a few years old, and not from Porsche.

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Isn't it a bit odd they are calling it the 718? Wasn't that the name of the RS60 Spyder? Maybe 714 would be better.

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Ummmm, that's a 987.1 with a smaller engine. Wanna bet how many parts are interchangeable?

The only way this is remotely interesting (and not just a rebadged VW roadster concept that we've seen long ago) is if VW put in a flat 8 like the 718 W-RS that inherited the Porsche Formula 1 engine in the early 60's. Now that was a roadster... before the entire category went yuppy. ALbeit not as yuppy as a coupe with a roof hacked off.




A turbo powered four is the epitome of Volkswagenism. Does not belong in anything connected to the 550, 718 or its modern day incarnation, the Boxster/Cayman.

Wasn't the 550 a mid-engine, 4 cyl roadster? It seems the new '718' would be more closely related than the 6 cyl 986.

Lots of Porsche fans have been clamoring lately for a return to the 'basics'...manual transmission, lower weight, less electronic driving aids, etc. The turbo aside, perhaps they have a chance to do just that with this car. I hope they get it right, and I hope I can afford one in 2018.

-T

Yes but the 550 was a feather. Unless its proportions are like that of Miata, a 4 cylinder is not going to cut it in a modern car at ~2,600 lbs. that hopes to meet the spirit of 550/RS60/718 power to weight ratios. However, a Lotus Elise type Porsche would be interesting but that's not what they're allegedly cooking up. VW is just looking to use the badge to dump their turbo 4 banger engines into a much higher priced/higher margin car.

Why doesn't this forum software have a "like" button? I'd click it on this thought for sure!

I hope it's not like the turbo 4 in my wife's A5. It has good power & torque, but it doesn't rev out, it's like driving a diesel

P-Lap,

Did you read the article? While it's all speculation (with some inaccurate info thrown in), it states among other things that the goal is to keep weight down on the Boxster chassis (they reference the Elise), and have horsepower in the neighborhood of 280.

I agree with you: Lower weight, more HP = that's a good thing.

I'm hoping they split the difference and come in at 2500lb and 250hp in a fun, stripped-down, driveable package.

-T

Do you all remember the 924s, took the 944 engine and put it in the 924 and this very old chassis was much faster than the 944 and cheaper...... They need to do that with the 986 chassis, make a few styling changes, and dump a modern engine in.

Bingo! PL, you nailed it.

The 924S and 944 were the same chassis...
 

Apart from the larger fenders, newer interior, wheels, etc. of the 944, they were the same car with the 924s being ever so slightly lighter. Performance was really not different as the weights were pretty close, but the 924S had a very slight top speed advantage due to the slightly slicker body. I am sure all the tooling for the 986 chassis is long gone and it probably does not meet some sort of government standards nowadays. I would love to see them come out with a really small roadster (miata size), and I am fine with a turbo four and ~220 hp if the weight is in the 2300lb range....no nav, no heated seats, etc...just the basics and with great fuel economy.

How about some facts instead of the rumor, conjecture, opinion, and wishful thinking?

“Porsche CEO Matthias Muller recently confirmed that the Boxster and Cayman will get a four-cylinder engine derived from the current flat six in the near future…..the smaller engine reduces weight and improves handling – though the primary drivers include improved efficiency and reduced CO2 emissions. Muller noted the new four-cylinder engines could make up to 395 hp.”

source: Porsche Panorama 687 - June 2014

"We've decided not a build a roadster below the Boxster, [and] we will not offer an SUV below the Macan because it will not be a perfect fit... We found that we would be irritating our current customers." - Bernhard Maier - Porsche AG Board Member for Global Sales and Marketing

source: Porsche Panorama 684 - March 2014

“Porsche’s management team is actively considering a seventh model line, and the decision could made “by the middle of the year” said CEO Matthias Muller in Leipzig at the opening of the Macan production line in February.” “A new sports car in the $250,000 range to rival Ferrari’s 458 is under consideration…….Muller said that a seventh model line would give Porsche a more balanced range." “Most cars have a seven-year life cycle,” said Muller. “If we had seven models , we could have a major event each year, as well as the variants.” A family sedan to rival the BMW 5 Series is also on the table, "
source: Porsche Panorama 685 - April 2014

“One source within Porsche tells us that it is a matter of efficiency (making certain models PDK only), and that decision-makers within the company no longer want to leave even two miles per gallon on the table in a given model. This fits with Porsche AG’s recent statement that it will not exclude itself from the responsibility to lower emissions and improve fuel efficiency – “ – Pete Stout – Editor – Porsche Panorama

source: Porsche Panorama 687 - June 2014

Let's face it, Porsches are becoming overweight, bloated hogs. Great technological hogs, but hogs nonetheless. The new Targa weighs almost 3600 lbs! Put a good ole boy and his wife in one, and you've got yourself two tons of rolling inertia!

Looks like the future is lighter cars with turbo four bangers and auto transmissions. Hey, maybe that'll make our old flat sixes worth something!

And as for the VW/Porsche debate; I've been hearing that crap ever since I bought my first Porsche 40 years ago. It's a 356.......no, no it's not....it's a Volkswagen. That brand spankin' new 924 you bought at launch? That ain't no Porsche. That's a Volkswagen with an Audi engine. My 914. Are you kidding? It's a 4, not a 6. It's a Volkswagen! And then at the banquet at Boxstoberfest last year, some rich prick with a GT3 nonchalantly declared to everyone at our table, that as far as he was concerned, all our Boxsters were just Volkswagens.

Just ranting..............

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Porsche 718 on cover Autoweek August issue!
 

Just received my August issue this afternoon and the 718 is on the cover! Article inside gives good crystal ball specs on the flat 4 etc.

Porsche 718 on cover Automobile August issue!
 

Just received my August Automobile issue this afternoon and the 718 is on the cover! Article inside gives good crystal ball specs on the flat 4 etc.

Turbo or electric?

Good old gasoline! Two engines,both turbo.2 liter 285 HP and 295 torque or a 2.5 liter 360HP and 345 torque.

Lighter weight car than current Box.Unofficially targeted at 26525 lbs.Great power to weight.

For what it's worth, my wife's 2013 BMW 328ix has a 4 banger with a twin turbo and it's......AWESOME. Gobs of torque at 1500-1700 RPM. Loads of fun.

So....I very much hope this 718 creature exists. Would love to have one in my garage at some point.

Its just Auto week's guess at what it might look like.
Click bait for magazine covers. Sneaky.

Saw this post in Rennlist.
Rennlist Discussion Forums - View Single Post - Upcoming Cayman GT4

If all these comes through I think it will be one heck of a car.

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More HP than a Cayman and cost less than a Boxster?
 

While that would be great for buyers It doesn't make sense if you are Porsche.

Why not, assuming there is a profit margin albeit smaller than on the 981 or specifically cayanne and such, they will sell well at the supposed price.