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BIGJake111 02-07-2014 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BYprodriver (Post 385161)
If you could spend a day with both it would be no contest.
Driving the G-unit feels like you are going to tip over when turning.
Driving a Cayenne feels like... a Porsche!

Oh i know the cars a VERY diffrent the contest is weather i wan a beast off road or a track SUV, i know a guy with a cayanne GTS and he says it handles as well as his 2000 S that he used to have. But sometimes id rather have the big boxy militant style of the G Wagon and just knowing that i can mow down any off road obstacle.

BYprodriver 02-07-2014 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGJake111 (Post 385193)
how small actually is it? would a 6ft 3 guy with size 14 feet like myself fit into the car and have room at the pedals?

You will need Jaws of life to find out! :eek:

jbs986 02-07-2014 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap (Post 385154)
What no pics? you lie.

Pictures are on my computer at the office I'll post some Monday for you guys.

jbs986 02-07-2014 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGJake111 (Post 385193)
how small actually is it? would a 6ft 3 guy with size 14 feet like myself fit into the car and have room at the pedals?

I'm 6.2"and weigh 206 pounds my shoe size is 12, I am more then comfortable driving the car.

It did take some getting used to,getting in and out of it. there is a very helpful video on YouTube showing how to get in and out of the car easily.

The Elise is a lot smaller than the Boxster and does have a harsher ride than the Boxster as well but does handle and brake better than the Boxster.

The Elise isn't for everyone, if you look down and can't see your belt-buckle you will be uncomfortable in An Elise.

jbs986 02-07-2014 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BYprodriver (Post 385160)
I bet if you had to choose 1 car it would be something else!

I said only one sports car, not my only car. I live in Michigan I do not drive the Boxster or the Elise during the winter months.

jbs986 02-12-2014 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap (Post 385154)
What no pics? you lie.

Here are my baby's

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BIGJake111 02-12-2014 08:13 AM

I've never seen a boxster seem so big haha. Nice car, sure she is fun. How is the reliability in the lotus?

BYprodriver 02-12-2014 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BIGJake111 (Post 386166)
I've never seen a boxster seem so big haha. Nice car, sure she is fun. How is the reliability in the lotus?

Similar to a Toyota

Taipanic 02-12-2014 11:12 AM

My interests in cars ranges from Hot Rods, to Muscle Cars and Supercars but I have to say Porsche is the only brand where I have liked every model they have ever made. There is not a single model I would not be proud to own. For me, the only other brand that comes close to that would be Ferrari.

Porsche Chick 02-12-2014 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BYprodriver (Post 386183)
Similar to a Toyota

I believe you have just told a fib . . . :D

BIGJake111 02-12-2014 01:06 PM

well the car actually has a toyota 4 banger. i just dont know if the reliability transfers with the heart transplant

Porsche Chick 02-12-2014 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGJake111 (Post 386201)
well the car actually has a toyota 4 banger. i just dont know if the reliability transfers with the heart transplant

That should help! I think it's mostly electrical issues with Lotus, isn't it?

BYprodriver 02-12-2014 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Porsche Chick (Post 386203)
That should help! I think it's mostly electrical issues with Lotus, isn't it?

Dare I say that is a "old wives tale" only applicable to British vehicles made pre '90s:chicken:

The Elise may have the least electrical content of any mass produced car today, so paired with it's Toyota engine & ECU, I would think it's very reliable.

trimer 02-12-2014 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap (Post 385148)
That buzz will wear off. And then you'll be in the 981S Cayman. :D

I just saw a black one with these gun metal wheels, tinted windows. That car looked subtle and sinister. and it had the PERFECT proportions for a Porsche. It's the driver's car in tin top form. If I had to have Pcar with a fixed roof, that would be my no-brainer.

I hope it doesn't wear off! And a Cayman S...absolutely. That would be my go to for a refined sports car! The Porsche turbo (in my case an 89 with all the turbo S upgrades from 88) is just plain cool. And for cheap (in Pcar terms or compared to a boxster maintenance program) you can build these to 400hp with very little work. I just love it...http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1392244706.jpg

BIGJake111 02-12-2014 02:00 PM

Dream garage for me would be all the best 2 seat open roof Porsches. 550 on one end 918 on the other. Carrera gt and such in between.

Perfectlap 02-12-2014 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by trimer (Post 386207)
I hope it doesn't wear off! And a Cayman S...absolutely. That would be my go to for a refined sports car! The Porsche turbo (in my case an 89 with all the turbo S upgrades from 88) is just plain cool. And for cheap (in Pcar terms or compared to a boxster maintenance program) you can build these to 400hp with very little work. I just love it...http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1392244706.jpg

That's a cool one. Looks well-maintained. I've seen a ton of not so well maintained. In fact there's two things I can always count on seeing at my Indy's shop: Old tires in the back and a 944 in for repairs.


When I was a lot younger I always though the 944 and 928 had modern, forward-looking designs. Whereas the Carrera just seemed too VW to me, especially the round lights. The first time I saw a mettalic blue slant nose in the flesh I thought "that's it!! that's the Carrera that will never be mistaken for a Beetle! I always thought there was a little 944 spirit in it:

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...es-ruf-btr.jpg

Perfectlap 02-13-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BYprodriver (Post 386205)
so paired with it's Toyota engine & ECU, I would think it's very reliable.

It is compelling. but that bodywork and its expense to fix make it a two season car if you live where its cold now.

jbs986 02-13-2014 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Perfectly (Post 386433)
It is compelling. but that bodywork and its expense to fix make it a two season car if you live where its cold now.

Maintenance-upkeep and reliability are far better than my Boxster, somethings are a little more difficult to get to because you do have to remove the front and or rear clam to do maintenance which can be time-consuming.

Yes the fiberglass body is very fragile and can crack easily because the car has no bumpers and the Fiberglass is very thin to save weight.

I am able to drive the car a good six months out of the year but I have two sets of rims and tires,one for street use and the other for the track. The rims for the track are much lighter and I run R-compound tires.

If any of you ever get the opportunity to drive the Lotus Elise I strongly suggest you do so, you will either love it or hate it. The Boxster's handling is excellent that was one of the reasons I got a Boxster in the first place, the Elise is 10x better as far direct feel of driving goes.You can feel every imperfection and nuance in the surface of the road in which are driving,some people find this annoying I personally find it thoroughly enjoyable.:)

Jamesp 02-13-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BYprodriver (Post 386205)
Dare I say that is a "old wives tale" only applicable to British vehicles made pre '90s:chicken:

The Elise may have the least electrical content of any mass produced car today, so paired with it's Toyota engine & ECU, I would think it's very reliable.

I had a "warm beer " vehicle, a 1972 TR6. When I bought it, the electrical system was spotty at best. I looked under the dash, and there were jumper wires everywhere! I got a mamual, removed the jumper wires, carefully refurbed all the electrics, and then gave up and re-installed all the jumper wires. Nothing like Lucas. Oh, and the dual Zenith Stromberg Carbs were a treat too.

Paul 02-15-2014 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Porsche Chick (Post 386203)
That should help! I think it's mostly electrical issues with Lotus, isn't it?

LOTUS = Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious

jbs986 02-16-2014 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 386870)
LOTUS = Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious

Porsche M96 engine =22 design flaws usually fatal.

Pdwight 02-17-2014 05:46 AM

I have a 1998 BMW 323IS that has been bullet proof, aside from a cooling system refurb the car has been almost super reliable

Trey T 02-18-2014 08:04 AM

I would not say the best brand is Porsche. Porsche is a fun car but I would not title it as best overall. Porsche for best performance, I would say YES! Not overall though!

I believe Toyota is the best brand all around with performance (boring compare to P-car), reliability, styling, and interior/exterior features. The thing that stands out with Toyota is their electronic systems from 80s to now and it hasn't change much (except for communication type).

I used to install mobile security (alarm, remote start, etc...) since high school and through out college and I found that Toyota has the most consistent electronic system from 90s to now. The way that Toyota design their electronic features reminds me of Apple products, very minimal and structured.

Not to mention, Toyota is the most innovative company regards to hybrid (elec/gas) and every single company out there is using their technologies (besides the hybrid patent expired in 2012).

Joe B 02-18-2014 09:09 AM

Ford F-250 diesel truck. 220,000 miles and still running reliably strong :D!

Perfectlap 02-18-2014 09:11 AM

^ I think Porsche has the best brand image. But after 10 years of ownership I would not say they are the best at making sports cars. I'm not sure I would give that title to any German car company for that matter. I tell my friends that these are cars are precise, well-thought out, reliable but far from being durable. But for the steep premium one pays to get in and to service and maintain, they are not that much better at many of these than some Japanese sports cars. If you were to remove all the romanticism behind Porsche and looked at it coldly and objectively on feedback and performance you quickly realize that Porsche are successful largely because rich people are successful. And they rarely drive their cars very much before trading the in for the newest thing that the Porsche is offering.
And frankly, American sports cars should be a lot closer to Porsche than they are now. They've got the first car in the C7 that somewhat starts to bridge the gap for a very low cost relative to even a Cayman, but with fully warranty for track use. If GM could make a Cayman-like version of the Stingray, ditto for Ford, things would change quickly. And Both those U.S. brands have a long a history of winning at LeMans like Porsche and are frankly better suited for sprint racing than a rear-engine only racing program like Porsche's.

BIGJake111 02-18-2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe B (Post 387280)
Ford F-250 diesel truck. 220,000 miles and still running reliably strong :D!

I do think ford gets wrongly grouped with other American cars, they have great reliability from my family's personal experiences.

BIGJake111 02-18-2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap (Post 387281)
^ I think Porsche has the best brand image. But after 10 years of ownership I would not say they are the best at making sports cars. I'm not sure I would give that title to any German car company for that matter. I tell my friends that these are cars are precise, well-thought out, reliable but far from being durable. But for the steep premium one pays to get in and to service and maintain, they are not that much better at many of these than some Japanese sports cars. If you were to remove all the romanticism behind Porsche and looked at it coldly and objectively on feedback and performance you quickly realize that Porsche are successful largely because rich people are successful. And they rarely drive their cars very much before trading the in for the newest thing that the Porsche is offering.
And frankly, American sports cars should be a lot closer to Porsche than they are now. They've got the first car in the C7 that somewhat starts to bridge the gap for a very low cost relative to even a Cayman, but with fully warranty for track use. If GM could make a Cayman-like version of the Stingray, ditto for Ford, things would change quickly. And Both those U.S. brands have a long a history of winning at LeMans like Porsche and are frankly better suited for sprint racing than a rear-engine only racing program like Porsche's.

I feel the issue with American companies is the buyer and not the companies yes they have won Le Mans but many Americans have no idea what Le Mans is and no matter how good of a track car it is, it wouldn't sell. Those that do know of Le Mans and such would likely rather have a Porsche even if its a bit more money for a bit less car.


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