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Timco 12-17-2013 06:19 AM

Is it unsafe....
 
To fill a running vehicle with gas?

scottvd 12-17-2013 06:25 AM

Depends how fast you're driving...

particlewave 12-17-2013 07:01 AM

The Mythbusters say yes, but their methods are hardly scientific. Err on the side of caution? ;)

Flavor 987S 12-17-2013 07:28 AM

"What did you ask, I'm on my cell phone smoking a Camel!"

Deserion 12-17-2013 08:45 AM

No, personally I don't think it's unsafe. However, it very well may trip the check engine light to come on since it would pick up the open gas cap as an emissions/EVAP system failure methinks.

MitchSF 12-17-2013 09:01 AM

Olden days (20+ years ago) it was standard practice.

cardiffgiant 12-17-2013 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottvd (Post 376941)
Depends how fast you're driving...

Best response :)

thstone 12-17-2013 09:35 AM

Like most things in life, you can do it and get away with it 999,999 out of 1,000,000 times. But you have no idea when that 1 time is going to happen when it kicks you in the crotch.

Similar to IMSB failure.

alanqning 12-17-2013 10:19 AM

It's as safe as using a cell phone at a gas station

Mark_T 12-17-2013 10:27 AM

I think the concern is about a difference in potential between the gas pump and the car which may result in a spark. Given the location of where that spark is going to jump if it does, it definitely could end badly.

Here it is the law, and a gas station attendant will not turn on the pump for you until you turn off your engine.

san rensho 12-17-2013 11:54 AM

Its safe, but as mentioned before, you can get a CEL and also, the tank will not fill completely.

stephen wilson 12-17-2013 11:55 AM

Why would you feel the need to ?

Timco 12-17-2013 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stephen wilson (Post 377019)
Why would you feel the need to ?

Single digit weather. Cab cools off very fast. More for vehicles in general not our P cars. Want it to warm up since I don't let it run to warm up at the house. It's cooooold!!!

Rickinduncan 12-17-2013 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark_T (Post 376998)
I think the concern is about a difference in potential between the gas pump and the car which may result in a spark. Given the location of where that spark is going to jump if it does, it definitely could end badly.

Here it is the law, and a gas station attendant will not turn on the pump for you until you turn off your engine.

I wonder how this would relate to plugging in an electric car if the engine was on. Would the spark be like free electricity or would you be charged for it?
:D

Johnny Danger 12-17-2013 12:15 PM

Would refrain from smoking while doing so.

stephen wilson 12-17-2013 12:26 PM

The owner of a tiny gas station near me always smokes a cigar while pumping gas !

rp17 12-17-2013 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stephen wilson (Post 377031)
The owner of a tiny gas station near me always smokes a cigar while pumping gas !

I saw some kid doing this at a gas station. I turn to the guy close to me and ask...is she really smoking a cigarette? He looks at me and shakes his head. By the time he looked again, I was speeding out of there like I stole gas or something. What a retard!!!

RaisedOnPorsches 12-17-2013 03:05 PM

This scene comes to mind:
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/308...as-fight-o.gif

jsceash 12-17-2013 05:36 PM

Last March a gentle man was killed at a BP station in my area doing this. I'll pass.

Timco 12-17-2013 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rp17 (Post 377034)
I saw some kid doing this at a gas station. I turn to the guy close to me and ask...is she really smoking a cigarette? He looks at me and shakes his head. By the time he looked again, I was speeding out of there like I stole gas or something. What a retard!!!

It's physically impossible to ignite gas or gas vapor with a lit cigarette as I understand it.

Frodo 12-17-2013 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timco (Post 377093)
It's physically impossible to ignite gas or gas vapor with a lit cigarette as I understand it.

I agree with this. Years ago (back when I smoked), out of curiosity I once tried to see if I could get a little gasoline I had dribbled onto the driveway to ignite with a lit cigarette. It was seemingly impossible---ultimately I ended up crushing out the lit cigarette in the middle of the small puddle, with no flames resulting.

That said, I'd still not pump gas with a lit cigarette in my hand or mouth...if for no other reason than it would make one look like an complete fool! :p

pjv 12-17-2013 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timco (Post 377093)
It's physically impossible to ignite gas or gas vapor with a lit cigarette as I understand it.

Gasoline liquid and vapour is extremely difficult to ignite this way. It will only ignite in very limited circumstances of air/gasoline mixture, and temperature. However, no matter how low the risk, I would not chance it since the consequences may be horrendous. As someone said, in the 'olden days' we all used to fill the tank with the engine running, but I no longer do this. This is because I have had quite a bit of experience with the effects of fire on people, and I can't imagine a worse way to go. Due to my line of work, I have seen people of all sorts roasted, dead and alive, including as a medic in Viet Nam many years ago. I once saw a woman burn to death in front of me, with no hope of helping her. So don't risk it, it is not worth it. Turn the ignition off, don't smoke, and be mindful of static electricity in clothing etc.

Flavor 987S 12-18-2013 05:58 AM

With the DD'ing Ford Explorer, I let the engine run all the time while pumping gas. I do this on very-very cold days and very-very hot days. Never with the P-cars.

Timco 12-18-2013 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavor 987S (Post 377154)
With the DD'ing Ford Explorer, I let the engine run all the time while pumping gas. I do this on very-very cold days and very-very hot days. Never with the P-cars.

Same here, Ranger.

Flavor 987S 12-18-2013 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timco (Post 377159)
Same here, Ranger.

$hit, I've been known on business trips in Minnesota to let the Explorer run for hours in the parking lot during meetings when it's been 15-20 below ZERO! Same for extreme heat, let the AC run along with the cooled seats.

johnsimion 12-18-2013 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timco (Post 377093)
It's physically impossible to ignite gas or gas vapor with a lit cigarette as I understand it.

LOL. Why don't you experiment by pouring some out on the concrete and touching your lighted cigarette to it? You have nothing to fear .... Right?

Perfectlap 12-18-2013 07:57 PM

The guy driving the refueling rig pulled up while I was filling up. This big fat guy was smoking at the next pump. Rig man jumps out walks over to fat guy and tells him to put out the cigarette.
Fat guy doesn't like his tone and keeps puffing away. Rig guy comes over and tells him a second time and to quit wasting his time. So I'm guessing it's not so impossible to start a fire this way. Rig guy was not taking any chances.

Frodo 12-18-2013 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnsimion (Post 377273)
LOL. Why don't you experiment by pouring some out on the concrete and touching your lighted cigarette to it? You have nothing to fear .... Right?

You're not reading all the posts! Tried that. So very unexciting. A waste of gasoline...didn't burn, not at all.

Timco 12-19-2013 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnsimion (Post 377273)
LOL. Why don't you experiment by pouring some out on the concrete and touching your lighted cigarette to it? You have nothing to fear .... Right?

Actually, tried, smart guy,,Nothing happened. We tried vapors in a milk jug, got the cherry super red hot, small amounts, a small puddle, and no go, so there.

Nothing to fear from a lit cigarette....

Timco 12-19-2013 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfectlap (Post 377285)
The guy driving the refueling rig pulled up while I was filling up. This big fat guy was smoking at the next pump. Rig man jumps out walks over to fat guy and tells him to put out the cigarette.
Fat guy doesn't like his tone and keeps puffing away. Rig guy comes over and tells him a second time and to quit wasting his time. So I'm guessing it's not so impossible to start a fire this way. Rig guy was not taking any chances.

Yes. And on many jobs we had to wear hard hats whilst standing in an OPEN FIELD. Some Unions / salty dogs are overly cautious, but owners, insurance companies, and foremen like that.

You cannot ignite gasoline or gasoline vapors with a lit cigarette.


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