Won the Porsche Lottery Today

[mountainman]

been there, so I know how disappointing it is. Waiting to see if Porsche really does follow thru. I was out 20K for the new engine and am eligible for the 25%. I know what you are going thru trying to decide whether to put in a new engine or shop for a new car.

[reiver]

Originally Posted by dghii

Absolutely stinks.

I gotta tell you, I love my 2000S (112K) and have had great 'luck' with the car. It's at a price point that I think I could stomach it if the motor took a crap. I love the look of the 987's and the new 981's but am unwilling to play the lotto with more $$ on the line.

It's funny. We picked up an '04 350Z roadster a month ago for my wife. The car has right at 100K miles and for some reason, it doesn't scare me at all! Time will tell.

I hope it's an 04.5 350Z. The younger ones had tons of problems. I had an 03 and it was the only time I've had a manual tranny or clutch blow....and it happened 4 times due to design flaws on both the clutch and tranny. Problem went away when they upgraded me to 05 tranny and clutch assembly.

I wasn't worried about any sort of Porsche lottery and was blissfully ignorant (having loads of fun driving it) until I started reading this forum after I bought mine on the last day of June. Now I'm paranoid as hell and have never done so much preventative maintenance on top of having AOS go out after 3 weeks of ownership and then a significant leak around the driver side bank. I've gotten real good with the 4 jackstands and still love the car, though...

I should have taken out stock in Pelican parts in hindsight...lol

[Perfectlap]

Sorry to hear that. How many miles did you get out of the car (minus previous owner mile) before it went kaput?
Mind sharing what you paid?

[Foydawg]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Sorry to hear that. How many miles did you get out of the car (minus previous owner mile) before it went kaput?
Mind sharing what you paid?

I paid about $24K for it in late 2010. It had 23,000 miles at the time. I've put about 29,000 miles on it.

[reiver]

Originally Posted by Foydawg

I paid about $24K for it in late 2010. It had 23,000 miles at the time. I've put about 29,000 miles on it.

Sorry if it's a dumb question as I'm a Porsche newb, but how much are we talking to fix such an issue if IMS goes out? The parts guy at the dealership just laughed when I asked...(although I don't ever plan to use the dealer)

[Foydawg]

Originally Posted by reiver

Sorry if it's a dumb question as I'm a Porsche newb, but how much are we talking to fix such an issue if IMS goes out? The parts guy at the dealership just laughed when I asked...(although I don't ever plan to use the dealer)

The lesson I learned is the bearing can fail with no warning signs. Although, I change my oil every 5K and I was due for an oil change.

The indie that's doing the work said the last IMS repair they did was about $6K. They're tallying the parts required for mine as of today and don't have an estimate yet.

[reiver]

Originally Posted by Foydawg

The lesson I learned is the bearing can fail with no warning signs. Although, I change my oil every 5K and I was due for an oil change.

The indie that's doing the work said the last IMS repair they did was about $6K. They're tallying the parts required for mine as of today and don't have an estimate yet.

Thanks! It sounds like I'm going to have to make my cash reserve for repairs a bit bigger that $2500 (which I've already used this month). I am very glad I paid cash for this car and didn't buy a much newer model with a decent sized note. I don't know if my wife would go for both a note and a large repair slush fund!

Here is to your bill being smaller! I heard over $10k from someone else, but I don't know if they used the dealership or not.

[smshirk]

I sure hate this happened to you. I do hope some for the guys who haven't yet upgraded the IMS will heed the lesson here. Whatever the cost for the fix where you are, it's way cheaper than a failure. I had 2 m96 cars before my current one and got lucky, plus I did change the oil every 5k miles, still just lucky with a 97 I sold with over 100k miles and a 2000 996 with 80k and no major failures.

I knew my luck would have to run out eventually, plus when i heard about the performance upgrade from jake I just couldn't pass it up. The 3300 someone quoted in this thread earlier sounds high, but well worth the cost if for no other reason than piece of mind. No one but maybe Porsche knows what % of these engines fail, but whatver the number it is fairly predictable given the shortcuts they took with the engines compared to all f the engines that came prior to these water pumpers.

[tonycarreon]

??

why put the part that broke, back in the car? since they're in there upgrade to the LN or jake's new one... my 2-cents anyway. your car, can do what you think is right.

also, the 05/06-era IMS bearing doesn't make sense since the whole thing was redesigned for the 06 model year making the bearing non-servicable.

i'd call them back and ask for clarification on that one.

[Foydawg]

Originally Posted by tonycarreon

??

why put the part that broke, back in the car? since they're in there upgrade to the LN or jake's new one... my 2-cents anyway. your car, can do what you think is right.

also, the 05/06-era IMS bearing doesn't make sense since the whole thing was redesigned for the 06 model year making the bearing non-servicable.

i'd call them back and ask for clarification on that one.

The old shaft is trashed and a used shaft isn't available at the moment. The new shafts come with the 05/06 non-servicable bearing. According to him, those cars aren't the problematic ones. It sounds like your suggesting it might be better to find a used shaft and use an LN bearing since it could be replaced long-term?

[southernstar]

As I understand it, Porsche does not sell the shaft without the bearing. Yes, he could remove the new bearing and replace it with a ceramic one (or go all out with the' solution', or the direct oil conversion sold at Pelican), but I guess it depends how long he intends to keep the car. Afterall, he got 50,000 miles and 10 years out of the original bearing.

Brad

[tonycarreon]

all m96/m97 engines have the IMS bearing, and that is the problem. porsche removed the IMS for the 2009 MY.

it is possible to replace the bearing in the larger shaft with an LN bearing, but requires removing the shaft from the car (your current situation).

if it's already there i'd replace it. though LN recommends replacing every 4 yrs/50k miles. meaning you'll have to disassemble again if you go with the larger one from porsche.

it all depends on if you want to roll the dice again. there are people on the forum who have had multiple failures, and those who have had no failures.

let me ask, since you have a TIP, what's your driving style? hard? easy? somewhere in between? do you let the car get near the reline, or just let the transmission do the shifting?

[Foydawg]

Originally Posted by tonycarreon

all m96/m97 engines have the IMS bearing, and that is the problem. porsche removed the IMS for the 2009 MY.

it is possible to replace the bearing in the larger shaft with an LN bearing, but requires removing the shaft from the car (your current situation).

if it's already there i'd replace it. though LN recommends replacing every 4 yrs/50k miles. meaning you'll have to disassemble again if you go with the larger one from porsche.

it all depends on if you want to roll the dice again. there are people on the forum who have had multiple failures, and those who have had no failures.

let me ask, since you have a TIP, what's your driving style? hard? easy? somewhere in between? do you let the car get near the reline, or just let the transmission do the shifting?

Unless I'm on a freeway I drive it in manual mode for the fun of it and to to keep it from lugging around like it would in auto. I avoid 4,000+ until it's warmed up and I run it hard every day ot two under the theory oil sloshing around will lube the IMSB (and for the fun of it). I don't baby it, but don't thrash it either. I've never tracked it.

[pjq]

Soooo Foydawg, if you've had an IMS failure that stalled the car and you need to replace the IMS and bearing what about other parts of the engine? were there any other parts that failed? Was there metal in the filter or sump or fillings in an oil sample? Does the crank and bearings look good?

[Foydawg]

Originally Posted by pjq

Soooo Foydawg, if you've had an IMS failure that stalled the car and you need to replace the IMS and bearing what about other parts of the engine? were there any other parts that failed? Was there metal in the filter or sump or fillings in an oil sample? Does the crank and bearings look good?

Got it back today after writing a $7,000 check. The parts highlights were: new IMS w/bearing, oil cooler, engine gasket set, cylinder head bolt, timing chain, elective water pump and AOS with a host of small parts.