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...yap current Miata 2001 LS owner here. very fun car in autox and twisty roads and highly reliable. but amazed it is less fuel efficient than the Boxster.
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Then I switched to a '92 miata and then later got a '90 miata. The miatas were great, and I think I managed to sell both of them for more than I paid. Gotta love buying cars on the low end. http://foo21.no-ip.info/boxster/camille_and_car.jpg http://foo21.no-ip.info/boxster/miata_at_thill-m.jpg For someone who doesn't like the sun, I sure end up with a lot of convertibles. I thought about getting a new(er) miata as my fun car this time around but the wife said I had "been there, done that" and she wasn't impressed with the size of the new ones. Good thing she never rode in either of the old ones. |
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Does NOT having owned a Miata make me unqualified? yup. No Miata. 914. 911 and some VW's along the way.
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I don't see it as graduating from one to the other as they are totally different cars. The Boxster is a Pudgy (2800-3000 lb.) mid-engined Luxo Sun Cruiser while the Miata is much closer to a traditional minimalist (2070-2414 lb.) front-engine, rear drive, Sports Car. While I've not owned one, I did do several thousand miles in a brand new one (Gen 2) over a two week period on Maui back in '01. The Miata is a great car for what it is. The Boxster is a great car for what it is. But, frankly, I believe it takes more skill to drive a Miata at the limit than it does a Boxster. To me, this is important - a Sports Car shouldn't be as easy to drive as an Accord - it should take some skill (Driver Input) to make the car perform at it's peak. Honestly, after two years ownership, the Boxster is beginning to bore me. It has never delivered the sort of visceral response I've had from nearly every other Sports Car I've owned, and I may well be graduating to an MX-5 in the near future... Happy Motoring!... Jim'99 |
Sounds like you want a new M roadster. With its tail happy ways and unforgiving nature.
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Not at all - the last BMW I ever liked was the '72 2002tii I owned 20 odd years ago. Since then, these cars have slowly lost their Soul, not that they're bad cars, they are just coldly efficient... Happy Motoring!... Jim'99 |
How many of you guys owned miata before graduating to boxster?
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The 99 box was more softly sprung and I'm sure the automatic transmission takes away from the driving involvement. I guess there's alot to be said for a few differences in basically the same car. I've owned an Accord, and they're actually very sporty for a family sedan, but neither of the cars drives like one. |
I might have to disagree as well (btw, when was that posted? sounds old).
Driving a Miata on the limit will not get you nearly into the trouble a Boxster at the limit will get you in. For many reasons. That's the great thing about the Miata you can take some chances with it because on power its not overwhelming. I think my first driving instructor said the same thing. No huge 'moment of polar inertia' either. And if Miatae did have bigger power it would be hmmm what's the word....dangerous? Great car but its a tin can that I would not want to be in a high speed collision with. Either on track or on the open highway against a Yukon or Sequioa. My buddy lost his Miata to an SUV as it innocently sat parked in front of his apartment. SUV totaled it crushed it like a tin can. Hate to think what would have happened if my buddy was sitting in it. |
I've had a miata for 14 years. With the exception of the early first year crank snout problem, they're ALL bullet proof compared to the box. Miata gearbox is second to none (w/redline MTL in it).
I recently purchased an 02S. I find it's almost as easy to get the tail out if I turn PSM off :) In stock form, the box is a much more capable car, as it should be. It does everything well with less drama. Shortcomings (for me) of the box are the rubbery feel of the turn signal and wipers, vinyl rear window, vague and sloppy shifter. Everything else is what I'd expect from Porsche. Yes, I miss the miata's more intimate/cramp feel and reliability. I beat the hell out of that car and it ran like a tank. Oh and I miss the simplicity and accassability that allows me to easily work on it myself. Routinely checking the box, I found those dealer hacks left the rear brake sensor elec. line unsecured in their clips... they were just about to wear through from dangling and rubbing on the CV. Nothing like working on your own car... I also miss the huge aftermarket support. Doubling the HP wasn't hard to come by for a miata. The box is sorely lacking in that department. Having said that, I'm lovin the box :D |
How about one step further? How many owned an MGB before the Miata, before the Boxster?
Still have the B, just got the 01 Boxster S. Miata is gone. Kind of like a natural evolution of the roadster... Great forum! (first posting) |
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I've never owned one, but my first track experience was in a friend's Miata. It's a fun car to drive, great personality.
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Seems to be a pretty natural progression with Miata in the mix. I had a '93 with a Greddy turbo, intercooloed with Koni shocks. Fun car but had overheating issues with the turbo. Moved on to a Z4 and now the Boxster.
The Boxster reminds me of the Miata in many ways or as I tell people, the Boxster S is like a Miata on steriods. Jeff |
Still have our miata. It' our primary autox car now, the Boxster is my daily driver.
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I love Miatas... never owned one though.
I came to the Boxster from a convertible Chysler Sebring.... some farmer in the middle of no where totalled that. I still miss it, but compared to the Boxster.... BLEGHGHGHHG. |
Had a '90 Miata for 15 yrs, sold it to a friend, purchased my current 2000 S, and have driven my old Miata several times since I sold it....and I don't miss it at all. It does put a smile on my face because of good memories, but besides the shifter and reliability, I like my boxster just fine. I can not compare on an AutoX course because I have not AutoXed the Boxster yet...
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HAD 3!!!!!!! LOV'EM :cool:
'92 http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...e/92MX-505.jpg '98 http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...e/98MX-501.jpg '99 10AE http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...5-Beach012.jpg |
I've owned five Miata (but never more than two at a time) and will probably own one again. I really like the 1.6L models from '90-'93 and unmolested examples are getting harder to find.
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for the price of a nice set of wheels and tires for the Boxster you can buy a reliable Miata which you can race with total abandon.
I would totally buy one and use it only for autox/track, stick in storage. Can't wait until those Mazdaspeed (turbo'd from factory) Miata's start getting dirt cheap. |
I never actually owned a miata myself, but my g/f back then did. I loved driving that car. So much in fact that I bought a z3. Owned 2 z3s before buying into the boxster world and haven't looked back! Lovin' every second of owning this car!
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Well, I didn't own A miata before getting a box. I actually owned 3 of them (concurrently).
1990 "b" package (top of the line back then) white. acquired with 117k on it. sold with 210k on it. owned 1997-2004 1993 (almost identical to the 1990) white. only had that one for about a year. 1999 10ae. first miata with a 6 speed. jackson racing super charger, full suspension get up. brands are eluding me. bought with 5000 miles. sold with 11000 miles. owned 1 year. had a 3 year break from convertibles with a 2004 wrx wagon. driven my boxster about 50 miles so far. the miata shifter is substantially better than the boxster. the rest of the boxster is substantially better than the miata.(miatas) |
Grizzly, you don't know what you're missing (Miata). I do love the look of the older MG's though.
When I was 17 I wanted a 69 MGB, but Lord of Darkness scared me away... :p My buddy had a Midget, and my other friend had a Fiat. Head aches all around! So I got a Datsun roadster 2000 :dance: |
two Miatas- nice car
Having owned 2 Miatas and great luck with both, I can say with-out a doubt they are extremely reliable, fun to drive, cheap to keep-they are however not even close, in my opinion, to the Boxster's overall handling charateristics. Long distance comfort definetly goes to the Porsche, as well as the confidence inspired at higher speeds.
For the money the early Miatas' were a lot of bang for the buck, that's changed as the price is inching closer to the 30k range for this little 4cylinder. |
One thing comes to mind when I see a Miata, isn't this a girls/chicks car? :p
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ALL (Boxster and 911 included) Sub $100,000 convertibles get the chick car label.
Anyone who sees a miata or Boxster or S2000 and thinks (not saying this is you 986spyder) and immediately thinks "chick car" is someone who has not spent very much time at a track or autocross. These are cars are fixtures at both. Really when you think about it with all the "sporty" cars being made today there are only really about a dozen true sports cars in the sub $100K realm that are mass produced. The Boxster and Miata are definitely in that group Porsche: 911, Boxster, Cayman BMW: M3, z4, mini cooper Merc: none Audi: s4 Saab/volvo: none Honda: S2000 Toyota: MR2 VW: GTI? weight is all on top... Acura: None (RSX no longer being made, NSX too expensive) Subaru: STI Mitsubishi: EVO Mazda: Miata (Rx8? mmmm nope) Ford: Mustang Chevy: Corvette Dodge: SRT Cadillac: none Pontiac: Solstice |
I know I was just giving this thread a hard time. People tell me that our Boxsters are chick cars too. ;) I hate when people tell me that. But after looking at the demographic sales of the Miata I can see why someone might think that. The majority are bought by women. Same can be said about our Boxsters. :cool:
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For whom did you buy your car? You, or them? If you bought it for you, was image more important than the actual car? Seems that is what you're saying... Happy Motoring!... Jim'99 |
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For the record - 1990-1993 weigh about 2200 1994-1997 about 2300 99-05 about 2450 06+ close to 2500 I always wanted to add a turbo to my miatas and have been thinking of getting another to tinker with and finally go to flyin miata for some power help and a turbo... |
Honestly, I liked the handling and over-all fun factor a lot more in the Miata than I do in the Boxster.... I wish my fiancee didn't total my last one. To me the box feels heavy and boring to drive, unfortunately. :(
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^Get a CooperS for a weekend rental. That car reminds me more of the Miata than the Boxster... and its not even a roadster.
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Yeah, the coopers are great cars! What I'm actually doing is buying a Rx8, and I'm going to pick up a $2-3000 miata next year some time. The only down side is I'll be convertible-less this season, but a bunch of my miata-owning friends have offered to trade me for a week for the 8 :)
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RX8? Not sure if that's a sports car. Well its a sports car like a G35 is a sports car.
Kinda heavy and not so agile. My autocrossing buddy had one, in addition to a MR2, he hated it. Got rid of it and picked up a 993. |
They actually handle pretty good... at least better than the 350Z of a friend of mine, and definitely better than my box. But I can see that if you weren't used to already driving Rx7s or Miatas how you wouldn't like it, they're a completely different beast. besides, the 993 is right out of the question... I think if you're debating between a 993 and an Rx8, there really isn't a lot of comparison.
This is going to be my responsible daily driver, the Rx7 will still be there for race, and I'll pick up another Miata for a fun roadster... |
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Then I put on the factory M030 sport suspension kit and it really livened the car up considerably. Now when I compare my Box to my old man's 99 Miata, there's no comparision that the Porsche is the more entertaining car. |
I was thinking about getting the bilsten (sp?) PSS9 fully adjustable.. I think I screwed up the spelling and the number :) But the car in general just doesn't excite me, which is sorta upsetting.. The boxsters are GREAT cars.. I really enjoyed cruising around in mine, but for some reason it just doesn't feel "sporty." Maybe if I had experience with a modded suspension one my opinion would be different, but I just couldn't bring myself to spend 1400 on a test to see if I could love the car more than just like it...
I guess at the end of the day its preference, and mine isn't for the boxster... It just doesn't excite me like I think it should. I really thing it's a smashing car in all respects though, just not "right" for me. |
I've owned an 03 Boxster for a couple of months. I would say it's probably the best sports car in the world in its price class-- a step up from the Z3 I previously owned. What distinguishes it from the Miata and Honda, in my view, is the luxury aspect. It is also a luxury car--and feels like one. I think, also the mid -engine configuration probably makes it the best handling car.
It is also a great value car, since so much of it is 911. If you haven't noticed, the price of the new Boxster every year seems to be creeping up towards the 911--especially the Boxster S. Many mid-engine Porsche types from the 914 era actually prefer the Boxster over the 911. I test drove an 01 996 C4 before I bought mine, and found no large differences in conventional driving. |
I owned a Miata previous to my beloved Boxster. I had the Miata about a month before selling it. Fun around town but the rattles on the highway drove me crazy. It always felt like I was doing 80mph when I was going 60mph. The Boxster is the opposite. No comparison in my book.
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