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Frodo 11-25-2011 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 265610)
...I have never seen a plug using anti seize, that was torqued correctly, come loose; regardless of how much anti seize was used.

Hopefully not a dumb question, but...If you use anti-seize, do you adjust the torque value when installing them? If so, by how much?

JFP in PA 11-25-2011 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Frodo (Post 265666)
Hopefully not a dumb question, but...If you use anti-seize, do you adjust the torque value when installing them? If so, by how much?

No adjustment is required, torque to specs. And there is no such thing as a dumb question................

Flavor 987S 11-25-2011 05:09 AM

Don't use anti-seize. And this in one of the main reasons Porsche's spark plug change interval is time related and not miles related.....to prevent/minimize seized plugs.

Frodo 11-25-2011 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 265668)
No adjustment is required, torque to specs. And there is no such thing as a dumb question................

Thank you JFP.

And Yes, there are some dumb questions, I've asked a few---just ask my kid, who (unfortunately) now knows more about working on cars than I do! :D

Frodo 11-25-2011 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Flavor 987S (Post 265670)
Don't use anti-seize. And this in one of the main reasons Porsche's spark plug change interval is time related and not miles related.....to prevent/minimize seized plugs.

It's getting pretty obvious---doesn't look like there's ever going to be a consensus on this issue!

JFP in PA 11-25-2011 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Flavor 987S (Post 265670)
Don't use anti-seize. And this in one of the main reasons Porsche's spark plug change interval is time related and not miles related.....to prevent/minimize seized plugs.

Which I suppose is why the literature plug change intervals are listed as 30,000 miles:
Maintenance every 30,000 miles/48,000 km
Replace spark plugs
Air filter: Replace filter element
Change engine oil and oil filter

The service intervals apply under normal driving conditions. However, we strongly recommend that you check the air filter every 15,000 miles/24,000 km and if necessary, have it replaced. (Fuel filter replacement is recommended every 60,000 miles/96,000 km).
And we get cars in the shop regularly that are more than 10 years old, and with less than 20K miles on them..........

Mark_T 11-25-2011 09:08 AM

Does that fuel filter interval sound a little high to you? I was thinking more along the lines of every two years, which for me is about 20 -25,000 km.

Gilles 11-25-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 265685)
Which I suppose is why the literature plug change intervals are listed as 30,000 miles:

And we get cars in the shop regularly that are more than 10 years old, and with less than 20K miles on them..........

Hello JFP,

My car is an '07 and just reached 50K, I did replaced the plugs about 15K ago, and yes, I did use a very light anti-seize coat :-)

I learned to use anti-seize compound long time ago after seeing damage on the aluminum heads... and so far I have never had an issue with it, however the copper anti-seize sounds fancy and I will have to get one of those too.. :-)

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JFP in PA 11-25-2011 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark_T (Post 265700)
Does that fuel filter interval sound a little high to you? I was thinking more along the lines of every two years, which for me is about 20 -25,000 km.

That is the factory recommendation for cars with accessible filters; in reality, the cars that had filters (not all years do) seem to do pretty well on the 60K cycle, unless something got into the tank with the gas. The reason Porsche went to the in-tank non serviceable filter was that they were not really having the filters clog very often; so they went with a cheaper, but non serviceable design unit, as did many other OEM's.

Mrmaddbrad 11-25-2011 01:32 PM

Okay people. Can we end this arguement?

Use anti-seize compound... If theres any arguement about it, you're just stupid.... I know no one that has ever had anything bad happen because they used it. However, i have seen people have terrible problems when they didn't use it....

If you don't use it, you risk damaging your Engine Head, and thats a lot more expensive than replacing a ruined spark plug.... I don't see how there is any arguement about this....

Mark_T 11-25-2011 01:43 PM

I was viewing it as more of a "spirited discussion" than an argument! :matchup: :D

JFP in PA 11-25-2011 01:48 PM

Anti seize, which brand of tires, and what kind of oil are always the questions that keep the internet going...........along with is it necessary or not to compensate for using a crows foot extension on a torque wrench (my personal favorite)……..

Gilles 11-25-2011 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 265717)
..........along with is it necessary or not to compensate for using a crows foot extension on a torque wrench (my personal favorite)……..

Ok, do you compensate or not..? ..ha

.

JFP in PA 11-26-2011 04:22 AM

Depends upon the angle of the crow's foot extension to the axis or the torque wrench.....

Flavor 987S 11-26-2011 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 265685)
Which I suppose is why the literature plug change intervals are listed as 30,000 miles:
Maintenance every 30,000 miles/48,000 km
Replace spark plugs
Air filter: Replace filter element
Change engine oil and oil filter

The service intervals apply under normal driving conditions. However, we strongly recommend that you check the air filter every 15,000 miles/24,000 km and if necessary, have it replaced. (Fuel filter replacement is recommended every 60,000 miles/96,000 km).
And we get cars in the shop regularly that are more than 10 years old, and with less than 20K miles on them..........

Either your "literature" is out of date, or your mis-quoting it. For example, the spark plug interval on my 987S also states "or every 6 years". For the 993 Turbo it is every 3 years, no mention of mileage. If owners change plugs when they are suppose to (time sensitive), anti seize is not necessary, and why it is not Porsche recommended.

JFP in PA 11-26-2011 06:14 AM

It is not a "miss quote", it is the published recommended maintenance interval from Porsche for 1997 through 2004 M96 engines. No time interval is mentioned, only mileage. And as the original poster is driving a 2002, it is the correct factory service interval for the vehicle.

Turbo's are well known plug killers; they have always needed shorter run intervals.

And, yes, anti seize is necessary.............


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