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Wevo front motor mount
Just got the part from Wevo, the semi solid motor mount looks to be the business. Nicely designed, very solid and heavier in the hand than you would think looking at the pics on the website. I am going to install this weekend.
When the conversion was done on my car the rear trans mounts were upgraded but the front motor mount was not. Methinks it is a source of vibration considering that it has the 3.6 torquing on it. I will report back how it goes and what improvements/changes I notice. |
Unfortunately, I think with a performance mount (semi-solid or solid), you'll actually get MORE vibration than if you just install a new factory OEM motor mount. My old motor mount went out at around 60k miles. The new one they put in was an updated 987 part number, and smoothed out a lot of vibration issues for me.
Hope I'm wrong though, and that it works out for you. Report back when you've installed it. |
I don't think "heavier in your hand" is what you want. The upgraded mount from Suncoast (I think it was listed as a Cayman S mount), is actually lighter than my original due to triangular cutouts.
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There are consistant vibrations which follow the revs of the engine and then there are abberant vibrations that result from metal on metal contact from torquing of the engine as the result of a failing stock motor mount. I am concerned with the latter.
As for heavier in the hand, this is the result of the density of the plastic inserts in the mount, in this case I see it as a good thing, the poly is responsible for overall reduction of harshness, obviously it will be more harsh than stock, that is ok for me. I want as much power as possible getting to the ground, not being lost in twisting the motor in its mounts. With 325 HP, I don't want to go through this several times to end up at the same point, why not solve the issue once and for all. In my V8 trail truck I went to solid motor mounts after having to do a trail repair on three out of four mounts. It did increase the harshness only slightly. It is a trade off I am willing to deal with given the peace of mind of not having far worse consequences of an engine displacing itself just when you need it to be where it was designed to be. |
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I didn't calculate the extra hp into the equation, I agree with you. I hope my repair later in the week of the a/o separator ends the noise it has. |
I am running a stock mount filled with urethane. So a solid mount basically. It does vibrate more but it feels great. I have a 3.4 so I felt the same way.. Good luck. Its worth the vibration.
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It's tax return season and I'm looking to replace my engine mount as well.
What would you guys recommend? I'm torn between Pedro's Enthusiast and stock 987 mounts. 987 is cheaper (110$ free shipping) Pedro's is ... well it's from Pedro:) I use car as daily driver so I'm interested in as low vibrations as possible. Also if it lasts 60K miles for me it's 8-10 years (I drive 6-8K a year)... and in 10 years my boxster will be a 20Yo car with 140K miles.. I'm sure I'll have bigger problems then Engine mounts.. Thanks Sasha |
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If this is truly the most important aspect of the repair outcome, IMO you should stay stock. |
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Pedro's mount is aces, installed mine a few weeks ago and it's like a completely new car (mine was really gone).
I would prefer to support a Boxster enthusiast like Pedro whenever possible. Given the Pedro mount and the 987 mount seems to get similiar reviews, go with Pedro. |
Thanks for all the advices.
I think I'll go with Pedro's mount for several reasons: 1. It's Pedro, mount has really great reviews and DIY guides are awesome, and it's important to support guys that are doing this work 2. Stock mount fails.. it's a known weak link.. I have no guarantee that new mount will hold.... I read stories where they fail in 10k miles 3. If I ever plan to sell the car (I don't think this will happen.. I love it too much) having "Pedro's Enthusiast engine mount" let's people know that car was well cared for. Thanks Sasha PS: 2TrunkSteve did you have trouble downshifting with your broken mount? I have a really hard time downshifting and I'd like to blame it on the mount |
I could downshift okay. My issue was the dreaded buzzing vibration on the highway......It drove me nuts. For some reason it was hard to operate the clutch smoothly when reversing wihtout chattering. I didn't expect the mount to fix that, I thought maybe I had a clutch starting to go. I was wrong, it fixed a lot of little issues and it drives a whole bunch better.
I would rate the project a 4 out of 10 on the difficulty scale. The only hard part for me was moving the coolant hoses to the side. For some reason I couldn't understand how to undo the plastic clips from the mounts. The pictures on Pedro's site were fine, I just couldn't see it until I did it. Otherwise this was easy. |
easiest mod is to use windshield urethane to stiffen a stock mount. You don't want to use a solid mount with modern engine electronics. You can actually set off your knock sensors which will pull timing and power on the car.
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I disagree a little with the moving part... I never heard of engine mount going bad. I think it's a bad desing.. necessary evil.. maybe.. but definately not the moving part
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Once you have taken one of these motors out you will realize that the front motor mount gets its a$$ kicked.. It is a moving part. It moves 100% of the time time the car is running, vibration.
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ok so here is the scoop on the Wevo motor mount.
Install: very easy, the poly slides right into the housing and the two side pieces slip right in, you get everything lined up and then tighten the bolts that connect the two inner pieces. The old mount: it was shot, it was in two pieces and the center fell out after I took the bracket out. The results: if you want a road car then this mount is not for you. There is a considerable amount of vibration and noise translated through the back of your seat. It is smooth but very noticable. The stiffness of the mount has improved the solid feel of the car and the shifting is more precise than before. The power goes straight to the drivetrain and to the wheels with nothing being lost in the process. The mount changed the character of the car. It feels like a Ferrari or a lamborghini now, there is a caged wild animal and it is right behind you staring at the back of your neck. No need to change the exhaust to get more volume or a deeper sound because when you pull through the revs you can hear and feel the raw power coarsing through the car and you veins. It sounds really good, really good. Many people will not like this upgrade because it turns your polite boxster into a beast. A bloodthirsty hungry beast that is right behind you. Me, I absolutely love it, I bought this car because of the big motor and now you cannot ride in it without knowing that this is a very powerful car. |
Well, with extra 100hp it's almost garantee you will destroy a new stock mount, so going with a stiffer one is not a bad idea.
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Since they discontinued the old style all mounts are Cayman S or so I was told by Suncoast. A Cayman S has more than 100 more horses so I think a stock unit would do just fine. |
I think the Cayman S mount would work but would need to be monitored in my case because the 3.6 does not line up exactly the same as the original 3.4, my front mount was modified with shims by Autometrics, also my rear mounts are not from a boxster they are from a 911. Mine is a special case but what I have learned is that checking the front mount is important as mine was ripped from the housing and just knocking about in the aluminum ring that houses it.
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Sasha, wanted to thank you for the tip - I ended up buying from The Parts Bin. They had a 10% off coupon and free shipping, so at $115 delivered I thought it was a good deal.
It's the genuine Porsche mount, with the 987 parts number. Gary Quote:
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Gary, can you please post you impressions on how the new 987 mount feels like?
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I have the 987 mount. I can't tell a difference in the car except that the vibration that I used to experience when my revs fall to around the 3k rpm range has lessened a lot after it was installed. My 986 mount crapped out after 58k miles.
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I know that's right, I'm not sure anyone could discern that. I did notice my new stock mount had a beefier rubber core and a lightened frame featuring triangular cutouts. |
I wanted impressions because.. I don't know how a good engine mount feels:)
I'm comparing everything with 70K miles 2000 boxster that I have.. and I have no history of what was done to the car:) Thanks Sasha |
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If it makes you nervous, it's only about $120 and an afternoon of effort. |
I do have most of the above:
1. Vibration at 3k RPM.. annoying but I though it's normal until I read here that it's not 2. Very ugly shifting, Downshifting from 2nd to 1st... sometime impossible unless I push it too hard. and it's only when engine at 2-3k RPMs at 1kRPM downshifting is bearable, at 5-6k RPM it's smooth as butter For 2 month I though these are the perks of owning a sports car.. it's my first:) Now I'm obsessed with changing mount... as soon as IRS gives me my money back. It's only 100$ but when you factor that I have to buy a jack, jack stands, wrenches, fuel filter (might as well change it while there) and spark plugs... it adds up:) Thanks Sasha |
I have had a few days to drive the car with the Wevo and it has softened up a little bit which is nice since it was very firm on the first test drive. Some interesting observations: my car is now drivable at low rpms, before it just was unpleasant under 3k rpms. Also I used to have this strange harmonic in sixth that kept me from using the gear unless I was doing about 80. I also had some weird vibes in downshifting. All of these issues have disappeared. When I mentioned some of the harmonics and vibes to the PO he attributed then to the SMFW. This fortunately is not the case. I am really enjoying getting to know the car in it's proper state instead of accepting things I did not like as part of the package.
This single repair will end up saving me about $5k in things I won't have to fix noww. Woohoo! |
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