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Old 03-08-2008, 02:41 PM   #1
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Speaker Polarity - stock wiring harness which is + / -

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I have a quick question. I removed my stock door subs and I'm installing new JL subs. I have a question on the wiring polarity. The connector has a solid black wire and a black wire with green srtipe. Which one is + and which one is negative? The black with green stripe wire has a slightly larger connector so I wanted to assume that's the +.

Any insight is a help.

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You are correct. A digital multimeter will tell you for sure. Connect it to the 2 leads. If the display reads (-) then you need to reverse the leads for the proper polarity.
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You are correct. A digital multimeter will tell you for sure. Connect it to the 2 leads. If the display reads (-) then you need to reverse the leads for the proper polarity.
I'm not sure how this is working. What setting and scale on the multimeter? Stereo on or off? Volume up or turned down?
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Thanks - I'll try the digital volt ohm meter. What's odd is that the new speaker played no matter haw I connected it... That didn't make sense.

I'm thniking of hooking up the speaker to the stock harness and also a bypass line so when I add an amp (next few weeks) I don't have to take the doors off again...

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Thanks - I'll try the digital volt ohm meter. What's odd is that the new speaker played no matter haw I connected it... That didn't make sense.

I'm thniking of hooking up the speaker to the stock harness and also a bypass line so when I add an amp (next few weeks) I don't have to take the doors off again...

Thanks again

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Not odd at all. It'll play for sure, but it's out of phase.
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Not odd at all. It'll play for sure, but it's out of phase.
Every time this comes up in a car forum I wonder just how audible it (meaning ONE side wired out of phase) would be in a car environment. It is painfully obvious on any good home 2 channel audio system, but a moving top-down car?

Getting back to Chitowndad, if you are having trouble with the VOM it seems to me that as long as both sides are wired the same (meaning black w/ green stripe to the same terminal) it would be okay and better than having one side different. Especially if you are going to replace the amp soon I wouldn't worry too much. I would just wire them up and listen to it before re-assembling the door. If it sounds okay run with it.

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Well the convention is to mark the positive (+) wire in some way - a contrasting colored stripe, a ridge in the insulation, even sometimes a different colored wire, say yellow(gold) vs white(silver). But this convention is not always followed.

@JackG, You can use a DMM to test AC voltage output at the amp speaker terminals, or speaker lead wire. The reading (signal present - Amp ON) will be a positive number if the test leads are on like polarity, or it will read a negative number if you have positive lead on a negative terminal.
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Thanks again

Thanks again guys - I'm going with what my VOM says is positive (solid black wire) even though I was thinking that wire was negative because it had a smaller connector and I was also under the same impression that + is marked with a stripe.

Thanks again. I'm heading down the right path...

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@JackG, You can use a DMM to test AC voltage output at the amp speaker terminals, or speaker lead wire. The reading (signal present - Amp ON) will be a positive number if the test leads are on like polarity, or it will read a negative number if you have positive lead on a negative terminal.
LB, I have to apologize. I set you up a bit. In real life, I'm an EE (Electronic Engineer), and I was having a bit of trouble reconciling your "test".

You see, AC voltage (Alternating Current) has no polarity. A DMM on the AC scale will not show a + or -, as there is no polarity to indicate. It will simply indicate the AC voltage.

A DMM on the DC voltage scale *will* show polarity. If you measure a 9V battery, and the leads are plus to plus and minus to minus, the meter will indicate + 9V. If you swap the leads, it will indicate -9V.

The problem with your test is that an audio signal is AC. Voltage drives the speaker in an AC format, pushing and pulling the speaker cone in and out, producing the pressure waves our ears interpret as sound. In fact, you can connect a battery (a DC voltage) to a speaker's terminals and it will drive the speaker cone either out, or in. Reverse the battery, and the speaker cone will reverse it's travel. The AC voltage representation of sound moves the speaker cone in and out, making the sound waves we hear as music.

Speaker polarity simply makes sure that when the signal is "positive", all of the speaker cones move out. If some of the speakers are out of phase, then some move out and some move in (out of phase) and they cancel each other. If you connect *all* of the speakers out of phase, then the music will still be OK. What's important is that all of the speakers are connected in the same phase, with all of them moving in or out at the same time.

The bottom line is that your test isn't valid. While you may be able to measure some DC +/- component on some types of audio amplifiers, not all amps will be the same. If you connect a DMM set on the DC scale to an audio amp output, it will try to figure out if the signal is mostly positive or negative. That results will totally depend on what sound is playing at the moment you make the measurement. If it were a pure tone sine wave playing, the DC voltage would be 0, as the plus and minus voltages would be identical.

Without factory documentation or some sort of marking on the original speakers as to their polarity, the final test is going to have to be your ears. If the speakers are out of phase, you'll notice a lack of bass and a fuzzy stereo image. Flipping the wires +/- while listening to the same music at the same level will tell the tale.
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Figured it out - Thanks!!!

Ok, so I connected the old speaker turned it on and checked the polarity with the Digital Ohm Meter and the solid black wire was + and the black / green wire was -

So
Brown from head unit->>Black at the speaker = positive
Green from head unit->>Black / Green at the speaker = negative

Cool trick!

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Old 03-14-2008, 04:44 PM   #11
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figured it out!!!

Ok so I did the battery test and I figured it out. The wire with the stripe is the positive (Black with green stripe) and the solid black wire is negative!

Thanks for all of the tips, I appreciate the help!

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