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Old 06-05-2007, 03:56 PM   #1
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65 post and all of a sudden would leave comment like that
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Old 06-05-2007, 04:08 PM   #2
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65 post and all of a sudden would leave comment like that
Unkle, member PrOk has been on the Forum for over one and a half years...he just does not post much.
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Old 06-05-2007, 04:24 PM   #3
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Unkle, member PrOk has been on the Forum for over one and a half years...he just does not post much.
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Old 06-05-2007, 04:39 PM   #4
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Well I do not hate NASCAR racing, but it's not what it used to be when I was growing up. If I recall correctly some of what I heard about the COT, that spoiler does not stay with the team, NASCAR hands the wings out when they get to the track and the teams have to turn them back in at the end of the race.
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Old 06-05-2007, 04:39 PM   #5
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Being from the heart of left-turn only country I've been a Nascar fan a long time, and have attended many races.

I agree with racer_d about the general lack of personality in the sport. You would think this wouldn't affect the enjoyment level of the races, but for me it has. It is like watching 43 robots race for 500 miles.

I for one like the COT. I find myself tuning out the old style car races and watching more intently when the COT is used. I guess the larger greenhouse reminds me of the cars of the past.

Perfectlap, I'm curious, which driver are you talking about?

I've been to Hendrick, Gibbs, etc. in the greater Charlotte area and these mega shops are something to see. If you ever get a chance to see one of these facilities in person you shouldn't pass up the chance.
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Thumbs down To NASCAR In General

I started following NASCAR in 1971 as a 12 yr old. In the mid-70's our family would drive 1.5 days to watch David Pearson duke it out with The King at Michigan Intl Speedway. As NASCAR's become more popular, I've become more disinterested. Mostly because the cars are not identifiable. Somewhere in the mid-90's the cars became "funny cars" with slab sides, rooflines nowhere close to where they belong, and trunk lids way longer than from the factory. They've really lost me lately when they started scooping out the headlight area for downforce and most recently the cars have become asymmetrical - the left fender is pulled way out for downforce while the right side is shaped to cut through the wind. The NASCAR version of a Dodge Charger is a joke. The horse was way out of the barn, so NASCAR thinks the COT will get things back under control.

Before NASCAR started meddling with downforce numbers and allowing funny cars, the manufacturers would build a production car that would be the basis of a good race car - like the 83 TBird. Chevy's response was to create the Monte Carlo SS with a sloped rear window and an angled front end. Game on! Today there is no incentive or reward for the manufacturers. Build a brick and NASCAR will allow you to lower the grille by a foot and slope the front end (Charger).

To me the answer was not the COT. I would cut the spoilers on the current car in half. A reduction in spoiler would force the drivers to lift entering a corner and then we would see who the bravest or most talented drivers are. I used to love watching Talledega but now it's just 188 parade laps interspersed with several massive wrecks. Boring!!!

Don't get me started on the late race caution. NASCAR can't stand a race that ends with a 2 second victory. Half the time the cautions are very mysterious and the other half is because NASCAR let a car back on the track that's all mangled up with loose parts everywhere. Hey NASCAR - sometimes there's drama as to whether or not a car has enough fuel to finish.

And finally the drivers. I agree with racer_d about the drivers. I'm sure they're nice guys and they understand the fans are important (unlike other pro sports), but they don't want to say or do anything contraversial lest they lose their million $$$ cash cows. ddb asked for a driver in particular - Jimmy Johnson. Do you think any of today's drivers would pull into the third turn at Daytona and start a fist fight? And then have the wit to say afterwards the other guy's nose kept running into my fist? I doubt it.

OK, I feel better now. That's been building up for a long time.
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When I tell people I download around 10 GB of races per month, they always ask if it's NASCAR. It never is.

I used to follow NASCAR back when Harry Gant was winning a bunch of races. I got away from it when I started hanging out with the WRC crowd. Since then, it's been nothing but WRC, F1, Touring cars, ALMS, etc....

I tuned into a NASCAR race last season because it was being shown in HD. I watched for maybe 20 minutes before getting bored with the massive amounts of advertising and circulating pack of cars. If I wanted to watch commercials, I'd watch NASCAR, because it's a 500-mile commercial.
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I enjoy Nascar because of the constantly changing strategy. Watching some of the long tracks can be like watching paint dry but in the end there is almost alway an exciting finish. I use to enjoy IRL and F1 but there is so little passing that it bores me to tears regardless of how exciting the track is.

The new car simply adds more strategy to the racing hence why I like it more than the old car. The old car was getting to the point that whoever had the most money could tune it better than everyone else and win. Kind of like Ferrari and F1...

I wish we they would put more road courses in Nascar and at the same time improve the car to bridge a little bit of the technology gap.
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