Excessive speeding could happen to just about any of us out here. I found myself doing 85 in a 55 on multiple occassions and I am sure most of the other people on this board have gotten their boxsters up there also (maybe not quite as high as you but maybe low three digits). I think that you have slowed us all down.

I agree with everyone else. Get an experienced attorney because they will have the best take and definitely tell your parents. I know that sick feeling that you have right now. Just do the best that you can in the situation, learn from the incident and continue to look forward (not back).

"Excessive speeding could happen to just about any of us out here."

A shame the rest of Pittsburgh isn't so understanding of things like this when it comes to Martha Fleishman. Not that she was speeding, but "mistakes" apparently happen. Ah, but woulds heal and Big Ben is now a Fathead.

James-
As Dr. Kill suggests, you'll want to let your dad know about this for three reasons primarily:

- (99% probability) he will find out about it - best being heard from you not insurance agent, etc. The sooner the better too.

- speaking from experience here (as a parent and also from being in a 'precarious' position once *cough* or twice *cough* in my younger days), he will support you as much as he can to minimize the consequences - not b/c of the $ consequence to his insurance bills, etc., but b/c of compassion. You're still his son and he knows the impact this kind of thing can have on you for a long time.

- his resources are probably 500xs yours - in the legal sense. His personal atty is probably connected, or can refer him/you, w/ someone in that area who either knows the local judge and/or issuing officer and knows the best way to play this thing out. You don't want to get stuck w/ bad representation from a 3AM TV ad or local yellow page atty who claims to be able 'fix it' for you. When you have access to the resources, use them even when getting there might be painful.

Good luck, be safe.

@Grizzly - The BMW did get away this time....I saw the man and his wife re-entering the highway about 30miles West of where I had been pulled over. He rolled down his windows and told me he thought for sure I was going to be taken in. I showed him the ticket and he told me he took one of the next few exits and went to a diner to grab some food hoping the Officer wouldn't continue on the highway.

I think it was in his benefit that his car had no License Plates.

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As unklekraker said, he fessed up and appears to have learned. I have seen a few young folk in court more worried about their parents then they are the judge. This may be TriGem's scenario. Let's hope he learned, but again he posted for advice, not lambasting.

This reminds me of the first capital case I ever tried. After we were done with a week's worth of witnesses and rested my case, the defense attorney came to me, shook my hand and said, "Jeff, you did a great job, and win or lose, at least tonight you and I are not going to prison for the rest of our lives." :cheers:

Does it make it any better that the Officer circled INFRACTION rather than MISDEMEANOR?

I just spoke to a friend of a friend who said he received a similar ticket going 101MPH and his ticket read MISDEMEANOR and he received 2points, 30days license suspension, and a $1500 Fine.

Dude, if that happend here in fairfax, VA you would have been fcuked, VA SUCKS,

Agree with you Jeff, MN Boxster almost makes it sound like Trigem was being malicious when it's clear he was being capricious. What's the difference? Intent! Speeding tickets are bull**************** items whose only purpose is to make money. In my state, a Trooper died chasing a motorcycle in a Tahoe at 100 plus. The kid is in state pen but talk to any officer and they will tell you chasing a mcy with a Tahoe at 100 plus is just plain stupid. The recklessness is on both sides. Finally, being in medicine, I see people driving that have no business walking. Suffering dementia or worse, frankly I'll take my chances with a kid with a sports car and good reflexes trying to have a good time. You can bet that if Trigem had a tin to display the outcome would have been different, the county's laws are full of hypocrisy.

It's also true he asked specifically not to be castigated in his first post.

so how much does traffic attorney typically charges? if you haven't done traffic school, wouldn't it be better to pay the fine and pay for traffic school to avoid seeing the judge?? I guess if you got a misdeamonor, that's a diff story.

Perhaps, if the guy on the bike wasn't being "capricious", the cop wouldn't have died. Likewise, out o curiosity was "speeding" the only crime that caused the chase or was there more to being capricious? Or is behavior "capricious" as long as no bodily harm occurs? Personally, I don't think speeding tickets and speed limits are stupid; I agree with MNBoxster as a matter of point.

Whatever the lawyer charges is far and away better than risking the outcome at this speed. The fees contrasted againsts fines and insurance increases will seem cheap in retrospect.

Did anyone say...Trial by Declaration? Haha, just kidding, still haven't heard back on mine..

Infraction is definitely better, misdemeanor starts getting into Reckless Driving, which yea adds points and more serious license suspensions. Although wow, 22348(b), didn't know they even gave those tickets out, haha. Let us know what the fine is, if you go to court and ask for traffic school, explain your perfect record and that the straight line road conditions with nobody else around you had no frame of reference and just happened to be going fast. They will probably knock it down a notch to one point and less fine.

-David

I didn't say speed limits were stupid, you did. I said that speeding, in general is a fee fishing expedition. Everyone in NY is doing 80 on the highway, posted speed is 65, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Oh and speeding was the only crime in the NY trooper case, I've never been through police training and I know you don't try to run down an excellent motorcycle driver with a truck, that trooper is lucky he didn't wipe out a family of six. Lastly, I have family in federal law enforcement, local law enforcement and Sheriff dept. They all speed when they are not on duty, go figure...

misdemeanor is bad.

another story on racing....
during my short stint in LE we went down to a state court to visit with the DA. I was working with federal agency at the time.
The state prosecutor came over to us to shoot the shoot and told us that the two defendants in the court aka 'racer #1' and 'racer #2' were being represented by different lawyers. One expensive one cheap.
During "the race" the cars got sideways and they ended up killing the driver of another car. Well to make a long story short, the guy with the good lawyer eventualy got a plea bargain for if memory serves me right manslaughter and a short jail sentence, now the guy with the cheap lawyer got 'death by auto' and got a long prison sentence! The things I saw coming out of state court would make your eyes pop out.

Just noticed the chase argument. There was another case in Florida where a camaro trooper was chasing a sportbike at 100+ and the camaro ended up hitting another car and killing the cop and a civilian. The Sportbiker turned himself in and now they want to convict him with double homicide.

I'm not weighing in on the righteousness of that conviction, but rather that despite the danger of a bike going 100+, chasing him at 100+ is highly questionable. The state of Florida has 'no chase' policies, so they leave it for the choppers to keep tabs while the cops stay back. In this case the cop violated and the biker is having to pay. Was pulling over a sportbike worth the danger? I'll leave it up to you guys to have an opinion.

-David

A lot of what will happen depends on what already happened.

Did you admit to speeding to the officer? What's here on this forum doesn't matter. What you said directly to the officer is what matters.

If you didn't admit to it to the officer, then you might actually get off. The officer stated he "got you on RADAR". Basically, he doesn't know what he got on his RADAR. It was something, but since he can't see the beam, he doesn't know what it was. He can make a reasonable guess, but since there were two vehicles in range, you might be able to get out of it. Tell the judge you weren't going the speed indicated. You were going faster, but you don't have to tell him that. It's that whole self-incrimination thing. You just need to provide a reasonable doubt that the RADAR displayed the speed YOU were going. If I remember your account correctly, you began slowing down and the BMW passed you. I'm guessing it passed you pretty quickly. Depending on timing, angles, field of view, etc., you stand a good chance of getting off. But, if you're not confident in your appearance and demeanor, you'll get crushed. Get an attorney to help you out. The money you spend on the attorney is going to be less than you'll spend on insurance over the next few years.

Now, go find a group that does track events and confine your high-speed endeavors to the track.

That being said, I should take my own advice. However, since I actually teach to many different law enforcement agencies around the area, I know many of the patrol officers and I usually get a "Oh, it's you!" followed shortly thereafter by a "Have a nice day." If I don't, I hopefully know someone who can help.

The biggest thing to remember is, don't admit to anything on the side of the road. The cop is going to write up the whole incident with decent accuracy right after you pull away. If you admitted to the incident, it'll be in the notes.

-Michael

David,

Remember he's not chasing a rapist or murderer, he's chasing a guy to ticket him, the chase becomes all about adrenaline. A corvette blew by my cousins undercover car one day and he didn't even try to chase it. He said, look at the lead he already has, it's red and I got the first two digits, I'll see him again, that's the right choice for sure...

Well, well, well *L* Obviously you weren't a "gunner" in medical school *LOL*

Here is my direct quote:

"Personally, I don't think speeding tickets and speed limits are stupid;..."

Where am I saying speed limits are stupid? Nowhere. I'm just including my opinion of them along with the opinion I hold for speeding tickets.

As for NY drivers, forgive me, I haven't lived in the Tri-state area since the late 90s and I sometimes forget how everyone there is so much more busy and important than the rest of Amerika. It is a shame about the officer that lost their life. Not being one (like you), I don't imagine I know what I'd do if I was faced with such a thing as a capricious youth on a cycle. I'd be concerned that he might cause an accident and HOPE that if I gave chase with sirens that the speeder would do the "right" thing, like our friend TriGem who may have only been mildly deceptive (?) when trying to exit. Obviously, we'll never know, but that is what I choose to believe.

Finally, just a point about arguments. You end with a fallacy that is generally referenced as "an appeal to authority". I mean, it's all well and good that you have family and know people in law enforcement, but seriously, just because they speed... that doesn't make it right or would you argue it does? Do you run the red light at 2 am because nobody else is up and the 4-way intersection is clear? I don't know.

Edit: Not sure about the murderer or rapist charges as we are currently looking at 2 cases of motorbike infractions nationwide. I do wonder though, do murderers and rapists drive their getaway cars more slowly? Or does that change the "chase mentality" making it more justified?

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relatively reliable source told me-if this is your first offense, and assuming you were not "street racing " or under any influence you will very likely receive the following:

$500.00 fine
suspension of drivers lic. for 30 days

James,

You sound sincere and you are doing the right thing - manning up. There was a speeding ticket thread a couple of months ago and all the guy did was blame everyone but himself. We need to remember we're responsible and accountable for our actions.

That said, I agree with Burg. Talk to your Dad. Say "Dad, I've done something stupid and I need your help". With an opening line like that, a speeding ticket may not be the first thing he thinks of. Certainly he will be mad but will assist you.

If your representation cannot work out a plea bargain and you have to stand in front of a judge, I would suggest saying something like, "Sir, I am very sorry, I have learned my lesson, and I am thankful no one was hurt by my actions". Judges see a lot of smart alec human debris flow past their bench every day. A little humility may go a long way. Then live by those words.

I wouldn't heed the advice of members who say buy a radar detector. We can save that for another thread, but they are not the answer. The cat eventually catches the mouse. Respect the laws or be willing to accept the consequences.

Your experience is exactly why I've resisted the need to go on the north side of triple digits. People ask me all the time how fast she goes. I just say the speedo goes up to 180mph.

Good luck, James.

Terry

TriGem,

Just glad that neither you nor the public were injured in that type of speed! I think you have to be very lucky:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/enforce/speedlaws501/toc/caspeed.pdf

If you read the >=100mph section you will find that they could have impounded your vehicle for 6 months as well. (Starts pg 29)

Tell your dad asap... don't let that fester or your dad will wonder about any other things you may or may not have done.

Best of luck to you, join your local Porsche club and take it to the track!

" like our friend TriGem who may have only been mildly deceptive (?) when trying to exit. Obviously, we'll never know, but that is what I choose to believe."

CFOS - What is that supposed to mean? I didn't exit the highway nor change lanes until the Officer was on my tail with Lights and Sounds. If I had any thought of getting away why would I even slow down from 154MPH? What are the chances the officer would have got me if I continued that speed and maybe took an exit 5-10miles down the road?

Come on don't put words in my mouth or assume things I haven't said.

FrankPatrick - That’s the same thing I read on the CA DMV website. I just hope they don't go with the 30days license suspension.

Husker - I did not post this thread thinking "I can't believe I got caught" or "I hate law enforcement". I admit wrong therefore did man up to what has been done. Now just trying to figure out the best approach to be able to keep my driving privilege

@ TriGem. It's a shame the Officers didn't get the BMW. 154 miles an hour, in a speed contest, in a car also occupied by his wife??? That's friggin' stupid. Was the baby strapped in her car seat also??? That would complete the picture, wouldn't it?

If you decide to kill yourself, whatever, but don't take out your loved ones when you go. I can't tell you how many times I've seen these young boys mash up their sport bikes with their girlfriends on the back. WTF???

Be very careful taking some of this advice. Trying to place blame on the BMW is basically admitting that you were drag racing and asking for a whole lot more trouble than you already have.

As far as telling your parents about what happened? I think it's a good idea. Better to get in front of it now and get it over with. Your Dad's going to find out sooner or later. You might as well be the one to tell him. If he finds out by some other means, and realizes that you've hidden something or deceived him, that adds a whole other dimension, and potentially damages your relationship. It's not worth the scant possibility that he won't find out.

On the issue of chases vs. no chases, I can see both sides of the argument, but I will tell you this. If I'm a bad guy and I know the cops can't chase me, I'm going to run. And I'll remain free to victimize someone else. Maybe the offender is only running from the traffic violation - maybe not. The only way to find out is to run him down, catch him and beat it out of him...um, um, um, I mean ask him nicely, after reading him his Miranda rights and buying him a cold soda.

Are all chases smart? No. Are some chases necessary? Absolutely. The problem is knowing when a chase has become too dangerous and being able to cut it off. At that point, competent supervision becomes imperative. When you're chasing a bad guy, you get tunnel vision. Your adrenaline gets up and you become as intent on catching him, as he is on escaping you. As well as you may know the rules, judgement can become clouded when the chase is in full swing. That's when a good supervisor, monitoring the radio traffic, is necessary to bring things back into perspective. Some chases should continue due to the nature of the crime. Some should end, sooner rather than later.

I'm reminded of when my son told me about his DWI arrest, three days later.

He spent the night in jail and I asked him why he didn't call me so that I could have come and got him.

He said, "Well, Dad, I figured I was safer in jail than riding home with you!"

He was right!

Having said that, once he told me, we worked it all out.

It DID cost him his car though!

As a father, I would be pretty devasted if my son did NOT tell me what he had done.

But, I can't speak for any other fathers out there.

I think you are on the right track. Keep truckin'.

Interesting perspective, interesting but wrong!

Trigem,


You can't un-ring the bell, it's good that you understand the stupidity of what you did and have since driven with more respect. My advice is face the music and take whatever comes but it's time to forgive yourself now. Guilt will do nothing to assist in resolution of this problem.

Why? because you own the forum?? You want to belittle this kid for speeding while your son is driving drunk, sweep your own yard before you tell me how to maintain mine. As for my "perspective" it's shared by many troopers who knew the officer that died. All police worth their salt intend on going home safe and alive, if that means letting a speeder go so what...

A-I did not belittle him. If you think I did, show me the post.

B-Yes it is my forum but how it that relevent?

C-I said you were wrong, that is my opinion. Clearly you do not share it.

D-I did not defend my son, I took his car, sold it, and he lost his license. As he should have. Hardly a good trip all around for him. Of course, he remember that lesson very well.

E-This thread is not about chase scenarios. You added that little diddie yourself. Your axe to grind is obvious. Anyone doing this kind of speed deserves a ticket, would you agree?

F-I am not "starting crap" with you, I said you were wrong. Is this the way you respond to everyone who thinks you are wrong?

G-Well, there is no G! I guess I am done!

H- Oh, yes, mind your manners please!


:D

Are you going to take my car too dad?

"Are you going to take my car too dad?"

Sorry, as a dead comedian once said,


"thats not my job!"
:D

High-horse Mr. Bruce Lee wrote:
> If you want a bashing, I would be happy to give you one.

I'm sure most of the people on this forum (if not all) have done something that would've landed them into the slammer, if caught -- and that certainly includes me. However, some are more lucky than others, and that certainly includes me (so far).

Anyways, since this reminds me of what my good friend Irish Jack did on his Ducati (also a 22348 which is "just" an infraction) and I believe that also you'll be good with a fine and perhaps a license suspension for a few weeks, (my friend got a 3 weeks license suspension, which he spent in Ireland as a vacation ;^)

In any case, and as Ronzi already pointed out, don't mention the BMW.

If you need more help, feel free to PM me.

-- peer

I do know at least one person that has had Sherman Ellison get their case dismissed at 100+. He's that lawyer that was mentioned on the first page:

http://www.traffic-ticket-attorney.com/

Now, he ain't cheap. I think it would be like $2000. You have to make sure it's cost effective to go that route.

My suggestion: call him. The office will ask you to fax your ticket over to them so they can make some judgements. They're pretty honest--if they think it's not worth it for you to hire them, they'll tell you that. They'll give you free advice about what you SHOULD do.

Good luck, and keep it on the track next time!

"There was a speeding ticket thread a couple of months ago and all the guy did was blame everyone but himself."

Posted by husker boxster



I heard that. Oh the judgements!

-David

I think the board is being very supportive. Nice work, we all get a little "spirited" at times.
Hey TriGem2K, here's some advice: when the dust settles, join PCA or SCCA, or something and get yourself to an autocross, track day, or DE once a month or more. It will get all the woo-hoo out of your system. The limits to which you can push your Boxster on the track are so much greater than what you would ever consider on the street that blasting like you did on the highway becomes a "but why??" situation.

Hi,

I think the wrong perspective is being taken in this. No, no one here wants to see this kid suffer unecessarily, that's been said by almost everyone.

But, this infraction was not such as you describe - being pulled over the limit by the flow of traffic, or not noticing how fast one was going. Nor was the lister culled out of a herd of fast traffic by a Cop with an attitude toward Porsches, or a desire to swell the State coffers.

This was a deliberate decision to accept a throwdown from the driver of the BMW and knowingly exceed the legal limit. Those are two entirely different things.

I hope TG2K doesn't have to pay too severe a penalty for his poor judgement - something we have all been guilty of from time-to-time, especially in our youth.

But, this is now one of his life's experiences. One from which he can draw when making future (hopefully better) decisions.

One can only hope that the contrition which he now seems to be sincerely displaying will not fade over time, or become diluted if he's fortunate enough to avoid the harshest penalties, which we all hope for...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

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Trigem2K,
The real problem is that you dont want this on your record. It takes 4+ years to have it disappear.
The money is not an issue. When your insurance drops you and all you can get is Rodney D. Young for 3000$/yr, you will kicking yourself.
I just got a 101/55 dismissed with nothing more than a honest face and nice manners.
If they have it in California you may be able to do what I did. At the very least get a lawyer to do it for you.
I got deferred adjudication (probation) for 3 months, 223$ in fines and I have to take defensive driving.
Best of all it does not appear on your driving record.
Did you know that your credit score is intertwined with your driving record? Do you want to pay more on your credit cards or finance purchase just because you had a brain freeze and got caught speeding.
Bottom line get a lawyer and fight this like you are fighting for your life.
James

High-horse Mr. Bruce Lee wrote:
> If you want a bashing, I would be happy to give you one.

No HIGH HORSE intended nor delivered.

If you actually READ my posts, I have tried to be helpful.

I hope you are not talking about me. I admitted to speeding, but was seeking legal advice because I was not charged with speeding, but “careless driving” which was most certainly not what I was doing at the time.

HI TriGem2K, Regardless of the what the penalty will be I'm glad nobody got hurt and i sure hope you learned your lesson, we all did something stupid at some point in our lives and the important thing is that we learn from our mistakes and move on to better things.

I lost my cousin in a car accident and guess what he was doing when his Toyota Supra became part of a lamp post. :mad: He was only 24 years young :mad:

Sometimes we do get second chances and we don't realize it.

I always say that we can't buy experience but it sure costs us a lot :(