I read where the 2.7 motor blows up for no real reason...

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by z12358

" Let's just focus on the waranty years"

That is EXACTLY what Porsche IS focusing on.
After that, well, gee, that is too bad! Just give me 12-15G for a new engine please.
I will go back to my Chevy V8 analogy.
You can run those bad boys for over 200K easy if you simply keep the oil clean.
Why would that be so much to ask of a Porsche motor?
These Germans are smart folks. Charge much, keep expectations low.


You missed my point. If the cars were really that defective Porsche couldn't afford to offer 4yr bumper-to-bumper waranties. It'd simply go bankrupt. The reality of HIGHEST profit margins is suggesting quite the opposite. Unless you're inferring that the "smart" Germans specifically designed the Porsches to start breaking down in hordes right after their waranty expires -- just for the fun of it. So smart AND sinister indeed. Dr. Evil material.

Z.

In keeping with your point, if these defects were few and far between why doesn't Porsche step up and help their customers out with an extended warranty or something of the sort? If these are truly a drop in the bucket than this would be a small price to pay for happy customers? How many people on this forum have this in the back of their mind and will affect their next purchase? How many people will tell their friends about what they read on this forum?

[z12358]

Sammy:
"In keeping with your point, if these defects were few and far between why doesn't Porsche step up and help their customers out with an extended warranty or something of the sort? If these are truly a drop in the bucket than this would be a small price to pay for happy customers? How many people on this forum have this in the back of their mind and will affect their next purchase? How many people will tell their friends about what they read on this forum?"

Why not offer an extended (or longer) warranty, you ask.
I could think of a few reasons off the top of my head:
1. For the same reason Toyota, Lexus, BMW, MB, Ferrari, etc do NOT.
2. Because it doesn't have to, and yet all the above brands could only dream of achieving it's profit margins.
3. How much longer? Would 20yr warranty make you finally happy and remove the anxiety in the back of your mind?
4. Porsche is not in the business of psycho-therapy.

How many people? I don't know. Do you know? I think Porsche may have a better idea than either one of us here.

FYI, I did read this and other forums before I made my purchase. And happily so.

Z.

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by z12358

Sammy:
"In keeping with your point, if these defects were few and far between why doesn't Porsche step up and help their customers out with an extended warranty or something of the sort? If these are truly a drop in the bucket than this would be a small price to pay for happy customers? How many people on this forum have this in the back of their mind and will affect their next purchase? How many people will tell their friends about what they read on this forum?"

Why not offer an extended (or longer) warranty, you ask.
I could think of a few reasons off the top of my head:
1. For the same reason Toyota, Lexus, BMW, MB, Ferrari, etc do NOT.
2. Because it doesn't have to, and yet all the above brands could only dream of achieving it's profit margins.
3. How much longer? Would 20yr warranty make you finally happy and remove the anxiety in the back of your mind?
4. Porsche is not in the business of psycho-therapy.

How many people? I don't know. Do you know? I think Porsche may have a better idea than either one of us here.

FYI, I did read this and other forums before I made my purchase. And happily so.

Z.

Does Toyota, Lexus, BMW, MB, Ferrari have issues with catastrophic engine failure due to a design flaw?

You are absolutely right in that they don't have to and it is obvious that they are taking this path. It's the risk that they are willing to take. A bunch of scared and unhappy customers vs. a couple extra bucks of profit (since you are inferring that this is a few and far between problem).

They are providing the right product to a specific market that allows them to maintain their profit margins (granted I don't even know if this is true or not so if you have some stats that would be awesome!). If Porsche decided one day to produce as many vehicles as one of the bigger companies than they would not enjoy the same profitability. My company makes its money by serving a non-commodity market and we enjoy much higher profit margins than our competitors, but our competitors make more profit because they are bigger and serve a commodity market where there sales revenue is a whole lot bigger than ours.

I don't know if the extended warranty is the way to go, but how many other manufacturers are increasing their powertrain warranties? I'm not losing sleep by any means, but I am keeping track of this for the next time I buy a vehicle. My dreams of a Carrera are becoming much cloudier...

My question about the number of members was rhetorical, but last I checked there were over 6000 members of this forum.

[ohioboxster]

I have one thing to say, there is no way in hell that its a 1 out of 4 ratio that has failure. Thats a quarter of the cars produced. Come on, please beoytches.........

On a quiet night you can here Porsches exploding all across America.

[berj]

Originally Posted by ohioboxster

I have one thing to say, there is no way in hell that its a 1 out of 4 ratio that has failure. Thats a quarter of the cars produced. Come on, please beoytches.........

On a quiet night you can here Porsches exploding all across America.

Yeah.. I'm kinda with you on that. I mean, really. Don't you think we'd be in class-action territory here? Some guys caused a *huge* friggin' stink over the battery life in i-pods.. It was like the shot heard 'round the world. Then there was some guy making a stink online about easily scratched i-pod nano screens. These things cost less than $500 and people were in an uproar.

Now 20-25% of the people paying $50,000US for a car are having it die on them and not a peep from the media? No lawsuits? Seriously?

My engine blew-up today just sitting in Winter Storage!






I hear too much Zaino can do that to a car!!

[Brucelee]

We will never really know how many engines tank, leak etc. That data is just never going to see the light of day.

Personally, I think the Boxster is a fine car that has some very flawed engineering.

I can tell you there are plenty of engines out there that are both strong performers and quite durable.

Time for Porsche to step up to the plate. Wait, they don't have to, they have strong profits.

Hmmm, interesting.

[MNBoxster]

Hi,

Z12358, Super66, OHBoxster, berj, bmussatti →↓

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

Z12358, Super66, OHBoxster, berj, bmussatti →↓

I guess that I am just a monkey (or gorilla) in pants!!

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by bmussatti

I guess that I am just a monkey (or gorilla) in pants!!

Wow! You have pants?!?!

[Brucelee]

I love Gorillas. They are so expressive.

Strong too!

[JackG]

of Brucelee and MNBoxster.

[berj]

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

Z12358, Super66, OHBoxster, berj, bmussatti ??

Come now..

Believe me.. you seem to have me confused with those 'Porsche can do no wrong' folks. I've got no interest. As I've mentioned before.. I like this car.. not the brand. Moreover, I could care less what the "reputation" of the car is.. doesn't make me feel small to hear people talking it down. If, indeed, there are such design flaws in the car with such high rates of failure as you're describing then I'll be first in line to point the fingers at Porsche (and put my money where my mouth is).

I'd just like to know where you're getting these numbers. I simply find it interesting that there's a distinct *lack* of reporting of *any* kind about such widespread failure rates. (aside from forums such as this)

[ohioboxster]

I HAD a gorilla but it blew up.

[JackG]

Originally Posted by ohioboxster

I HAD a gorilla but it blew up.

That's some funny $hit...

[z12358]

berj:
"I'd just like to know where you're getting these numbers. I simply find it interesting that there's a distinct *lack* of reporting of *any* kind about such widespread failure rates. (aside from forums such as this)"

It's a conspiracy I tell you. Porsche and the whole world (except for us gullible buyers) are in on it. Porsche has bought them all with our very own hard earned money that they stole from us. Our little forum is one of the rare lucky ones to have Rich and Jim let us in on the real deal.

Z.

[z12358]

Sammy:
"Does Toyota, Lexus, BMW, MB, Ferrari have issues with catastrophic engine failure due to a design flaw?"

I feel like we're going in circles here. Neither does Porsche! I thought we already concluded that if Porsche did have these big issues it would go bankrupt by paying warranty claims. 4 years is a long time to be exposed to a 1 in 4 chance of a $30k+ warranty claim on every car they sell.

A bunch of scared and unhappy customers vs. a couple extra bucks of profit (since you are inferring that this is a few and far between problem).

Or you could just be exagerating. Porsche may not be concerned simply because there may not be as many scared people as you are led to believe, and not because they are profit hungry capitalist monsters with no concern about the longevity of their brand. Believe me, they know much better than either of us what it takes to keep selling their cars.

I'm not losing sleep by any means, but I am keeping track of this for the next time I buy a vehicle. My dreams of a Carrera are becoming much cloudier...

You shouldn't buy a Carrera anyway. The Box is a much better design.

Z.

[MNBoxster]

Originally Posted by berj

Come now..

Believe me.. you seem to have me confused with those 'Porsche can do no wrong' folks. I've got no interest. As I've mentioned before.. I like this car.. not the brand. Moreover, I could care less what the "reputation" of the car is.. doesn't make me feel small to hear people talking it down. If, indeed, there are such design flaws in the car with such high rates of failure as you're describing then I'll be first in line to point the fingers at Porsche (and put my money where my mouth is).

I'd just like to know where you're getting these numbers. I simply find it interesting that there's a distinct *lack* of reporting of *any* kind about such widespread failure rates. (aside from forums such as this)

Hi,

You're probbably right, it's all just one big overreaction...

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=262302&highlight=rms

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1980762&postid=20792732

http://www.pca.org/tech/tech_qa_question.asp?id={581DA672-0984-4130-AA08-47A83948709E}

http://boxster.wikia.com/wiki/Engine_&_Transmission

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=179949



http://experts.about.com/q/Porsche-795/RMS.htm





http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=137&h=&t=211023

http://www.porscheclub.com/mboard/forums/printer-friendly.asp?tid=954&mid=

http://www.automotiveforums.com/t360874-unhappy_jaguar_owner.html

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=770713#post770713

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127804&page=2

http://www.whatcar.co.uk/car-review-readers.aspx?RT=%09%09%09705

http://www.grmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=15408

http://www.germanautoforums.com/m_5018/mpage_1/tm.htm#7952

http://www.porkers.co.uk/topic.asp?t=156325&f=48&h=0

http://www.funcarsonline.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=64832&page=

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[Brucelee]

Actually, the engine design issues around the Int shaft failures and the RMS are well documented and commented upon in Panorama, which as you know, is hardly anti-Porsche. This information is presented matter of factly, much in the same manner as when they comment on the 944 engine losing timing belts and along with them, valves, cams etc.


Moreover, if you have been a Porsche used car dealer like I have, or if you spend a lot of time at a dealer where the service bays are accessable (which I have) you would be astonished by how many of the cars there have to whole engine/trans unit out of the car. I don't think this is done to detail the engine compartment but, hey you never know.

I have no idea if 25% is the right number on these engines. However, there appears to be no dispute that there are several design flaws in the engine alone.

My service tech readily admits to this and told me point blank he is not allowed to tell me how many of these engines actually fail.

This is all just data. No one said the sky is falling, just that it might!

[Brucelee]

BTW- it is significant that my dealer can obtain a replacement engine from Porsche in 24 hours. Why do you suppose that these are so readily available?