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flmont 08-11-2019 09:48 AM

No down force
 
I was able to get my 02 base out for some exercise and after 80 MPH it seems that my front end got lighter and steering got loose,and at 90 it was worse,I thought it would have had more down force,The steering was way to light for that speed, Ive never driven it that fast before, and its my first boxster..?? Thanks

BYprodriver 08-11-2019 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by flmont (Post 600780)
I was able to get my 02 base out for some exercise and after 80 MPH it seems that my front end got lighter and steering got loose,and at 90 it was worse,I thought it would have had more down force,The steering was way to light for that speed, Ive never driven it that fast before, and its my first boxster..?? Thanks

1st check tires air pressure, tread & sidewalls for damage. Next verify rear spoiler extends up by 60 MPH. If all is good go to the best Porsche alignment shop you can & have them inspect suspension parts for excessive wear, replace anything out of spec including shock absorbers. Then have alignment checked including CASTER which affects directional stability & steering.

Racer Boy 08-11-2019 10:21 AM

Downforce? The only street cars with any kind of downforce are very expensive exotic cars. I'm talking stock vehicles, not the cars that have giant wings tacked on. For most street cars you are talking about lift, or the lack of it.

It's probably a worn out suspension that is your problem. If your shocks are worn out, it could certainly give you a floaty feeling at higher speeds. How many miles are on your Boxster?

The fastest I've driven my '02 is 130 mph, and it felt fine, but I have refreshed my suspension completely.

flmont 08-11-2019 10:40 AM

Hi Racer ,83 K ,and NO evidence of any component's being replaced, Handling great at 70-75 after that way loose.

flmont 08-11-2019 11:01 AM

Byprodriver,..tires are good,no damage,.but rims have some small mount of curb rash,I will look for a alignment shop ,..Just pushed on the fenders,..bounce's real easy ,.!

maytag 08-11-2019 01:47 PM

83k and "bounces real easy" suggests it's time for new dampers.
This will absolutely affect high speed stability.

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BYprodriver 08-11-2019 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by flmont (Post 600787)
Byprodriver,..tires are good,no damage,.but rims have some small mount of curb rash,I will look for a alignment shop ,..Just pushed on the fenders,..bounce's real easy ,.!

Try to find a alignment shop that can give you a printout of the alignment settings before & after they align it, and if it needs new struts install those 1st.

thstone 08-11-2019 08:12 PM

Unlike an older 911, the front of a Boxster shouldn't get light at high speeds - it should feel rock solid up to 130+ mph. As the others have said, check tires, suspension, and alignment.

Starter986 08-12-2019 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Racer Boy (Post 600785)
Downforce? The only street cars with any kind of downforce are very expensive exotic cars. I'm talking stock vehicles, not the cars that have giant wings tacked on. For most street cars you are talking about lift, or the lack of it.

It's probably a worn out suspension that is your problem. If your shocks are worn out, it could certainly give you a floaty feeling at higher speeds. How many miles are on your Boxster?

The fastest I've driven my '02 is 130 mph, and it felt fine, but I have refreshed my suspension completely.

Where? 5? 405? 16? 167? I'm trying to think where is there a stretch of road that would be sraight enough to accomodate that speed. Ima former 98444er (not bragging).

130 huh? Sounds like I've another visit to the 210 and an extra 11mph... ;)

alm001 08-12-2019 05:02 AM

The front wheel spats, if missing will cause a slight feeling of lift past 100mph. Are yours intact?

Racer Boy 08-12-2019 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 600820)
Where? 5? 405? 16? 167? I'm trying to think where is there a stretch of road that would be sraight enough to accomodate that speed. Ima former 98444er (not bragging).

130 huh? Sounds like I've another visit to the 210 and an extra 11mph... ;)

Pacific Raceways. 120 mph at the Ridge, about 125 mph at Portland Int'l Raceway.

kk2002s 08-12-2019 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by flmont (Post 600787)
Byprodriver,..tires are good,no damage,.but rims have some small mount of curb rash,I will look for a alignment shop ,..Just pushed on the fenders,..bounce's real easy ,.!

I think you have found the issue. It should be very hard to push down on these cars and get any bounce, at least that is how mine behaves. At 110 I feel absolutely no float. If I have a fullish tank of fuel and at 75 mph when the rear spoiler deploys, the car just gets so planted and I can feel it get very stable.

Starter986 08-12-2019 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Racer Boy (Post 600830)
Pacific Raceways. 120 mph at the Ridge, about 125 mph at Portland Int'l Raceway.

Ahhhhh. The old S I R. Great memories of the 70's at that place.

Cheers!

Racer Boy 08-12-2019 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 600843)
Ahhhhh. The old S I R. Great memories of the 70's at that place.

Cheers!

Still a great track! The just repaved the track from turn two to nine, so it's a lot smoother than it used to be.

There are lots of roads in Washington where it would be easy to hit 130 +. It just depends on your tolerance for risk (as in getting busted).

flmont 08-13-2019 12:06 PM

Thanks KK2002s....I was kinda surprised that I could push down so easy and just kinda bounce it. need to find a good shop in Tucson,az to get it checked out !

jsceash 08-13-2019 04:38 PM

Tracked at a lot of high speed tracks including Pocono raceway. which is scary fast 145 to 152 MPH, VIR 134 to 140 MPH, and Watkins Glen 130 to 135 MPH. The car feel rock solid.

It sounds like you need to replace your struts

flmont 08-14-2019 01:26 PM

I will have it looked at, And my only option here in Tucson..is a dealer alignment,..But at least they will find everything wrong with it,..!!

NewArt 08-14-2019 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by alm001 (Post 600824)
The front wheel spats, if missing will cause a slight feeling of lift past 100mph. Are yours intact?

I'd like to know the effect that these have on the aerodynamics of the car. They seem pretty small, but they must have been put there fore a reason? :confused:

flmont 08-15-2019 04:38 PM

ALM001,...what are wheel spats,..

flmont 08-15-2019 04:42 PM

Dealer alignment fee 385.00 for a four wheel laser alignment. Gee do they still spin balance like the old hunter alignment systems use to do , I wonder


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