What's the difference between early and late cat delete pipes?
Are they different lengths because of different mounting locations on the two different style exhaust manifolds?
Or is it just that they have extra bungs for o2 sensors? I have an 01 with some cheap ebay headers on it and the fitment of the flanges going to the secondary cats is less than desirable. I've either got to pull them off and have them fitted and rewelded, take a gamble on another pair (probably cheaper than the customizing of the first set), or maybe switch to a cheap pair of used OEM 97-99 manifolds which will have perfect fitment but will require another set of test pipes (or bungs to be welded in?) |
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Early manifolds and secondary cat flanges have the bolt c/c distances at roughly 66 mm, as can be seen here: http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1530730765.jpg While the later flanges, for some unknown reason, have these c/c distances opened up to roughly 78 mm, shown here: http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1530730892.jpg I've had my fair share of aftermarket headers "not quite" fitting well, just as you seem to be going thru now. That's why I am in the process of fitting an early non-cat manifold (cheap!) and secondary pipe system, so to replace the flow horrorshow of the OEM cat manifolds: http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1530731091.jpg |
Exhaust manifold outlet diameter is larger on 2000 up "S" maybe base engine also. Exhaust pipe diameter has a big effect on exhaust flow velocity at various RPM's.
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But the early used non-cat manifolds (bought from Woody), when compared to my 2000 S USA cat manifolds, measure -exactly- the same. Measured at their cylinder head flange openings (3 pipes) as well as their outlet flange (pictures of which I previously posted above), there are no pipe size differences between these different variations (other than maybe 1 mm or so which I attribute to manufacturer's production tolerances and/or carbon build-up). Which makes the flange bolting pattern change, as pictured above, all the more puzzling to me. But, even so, if you might have any photos which show my measurements to somehow be a weird fluke, please post here! Thanks - DM |
So with "back dating" your exhaust to the 97-99 stuff does this mean you are going to use some sort of o2 sensor extension harnesses to relocate the sensors?
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http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1530889063.jpg I tracked down the OEM male and female fittings for each end, such that it then becomes a plug and play deal. Wiring enclosed in that hot-rodder sort of heat jacket, often used by that crowd for fuel or brake lines located close to headers. If any interest, I can post the Bosch male and female fitting part numbers that you will need to use. Thanks - DM |
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You could try looking at the European part numbers. Those cat or cat delete pipes pictured are the same sort of thing as European cars with the lambdas and bungs in the same place.
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Thanks - DM |
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Well, it's been a couple of years now, but as I recall these extensions were something around 18" or so long. I'd obviously recommend that you measure first so to see what length you might need, and then add a couple of inches for slack.
The 'conduit' is nothing more than some high temperature fuel line sleeving, sold readily at such hot rod supply places like Jegs and Summit. Note that I intentionally cut the sleeving to be a few inches longer than the wire itself - thus the 'bunchy' appearance in my pictures. Several years on now, it's all been working a treat! |
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Several years later, I've been very pleased with the results - No error codes, and a notable increase in power and rev-ability over stock. |
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Oh okay I was under there and one could just plug the unused receptacles with an old plug with leads removed and expoy sealed for moisture.....cut it off of and old o2 sensor
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