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martsink 10-07-2015 12:09 PM

Coolant temperature sensor connector 2000 to 2002
 
Hey guys,
I'm trying to find out if the coolant temperature sensor changed from year 2000 to 2002?
I bought a 2002 harness for my 2000 Boxster S V8 swap and I can't get the water temperature gauge to work. From the diagrams, it seems like the wiring was switched from 4 to 2 wire connector? Is this correct? Did the sensor change as well? Can I still make it work somehow with two wires?

Thanks!

Does anyone know where I can get a connector pigtail?

BYprodriver 10-07-2015 12:58 PM

Yes to all your questions.

No I don't know how to make it work other than installing a Porsche approved engine.

martsink 10-07-2015 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BYprodriver (Post 469093)
Yes to all your questions.

No I don't know how to make it work other than installing a Porsche approved engine.

Haha the Porsche approved engine is not longer an option! Thanks for the input, I guess I just have to get a connector pigtail somewhere.

BoxsterLS376 10-07-2015 01:13 PM

The right sensor should only be about $20-$25.

martsink 10-07-2015 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxsterLS376 (Post 469098)
The right sensor should only be about $20-$25.

Hey John,
I think the issue is in the harness not the sensor (but im not sure tbh). The previous owner sold the harness and butchered some of the body wiring. Now I'm trying to piece it all together. Yours is a 2000 Boxster right? Mind checking what sensor you have and how many wires go to it? This is the sensor that I'm using, which has 2 pins, so I don't get how it can have 4 wires.

http://www.euromotives.com/i/ebay/f/1306593199.jpg

itsnotanova 03-31-2016 02:35 PM

Vlad, I just came across the same problem installing a 2001 3.4 into my 2000 3.2 S.
The 3.4 and a 1999 2.5 both have the 4 prong coolant temp sensor but every 3.2 harness I looked at has the two prong sensor. Not sure what the extra wires are for

martsink 04-01-2016 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itsnotanova (Post 489633)
Vlad, I just came across the same problem installing a 2001 3.4 into my 2000 3.2 S.
The 3.4 and a 1999 2.5 both have the 4 prong coolant temp sensor but every 3.2 harness I looked at has the two prong sensor. Not sure what the extra wires are for

I think some 2000 3.2s got the 4 pin and some 2 pin sensors. The two extra wires are for the instrument cluster to display temperature

rennpart 06-07-2023 01:28 PM

Just ran across this old thread as it is the only info on the net.

Rebuilding a 2000 Boxster S of mine in my shop that had an engine fire and had the same issue.

If you use the 2 wire sensor on a 4 wire DME you will get a coolant reading via OBD2 but not on the dash.

The fix is as follows:
If your car (read DME) is an original "4 wire" car then you need to use the 4 wire sensor and run them to the trunk area.

If you splice the two wire sensor in your dash will not read correctly as the 4 wire sensor spits out different ohms to the ECU vs the instrument cluster.

Hope this helps someone in another 8 years! :)

--Aaron

martsink 06-07-2023 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rennpart (Post 653778)
Just ran across this old thread as it is the only info on the net.

Rebuilding a 2000 Boxster S of mine in my shop that had an engine fire and had the same issue.

If you use the 2 wire sensor on a 4 wire DME you will get a coolant reading via OBD2 but not on the dash.

The fix is as follows:
Splice an additional wire off of PIN 22 blue/white wire at the DME and attach the other end of it to pin 29 on the black connector in the trunk (X3/1 connector IIRC it's the black connector in the bundle of 3 connectors on the LH side of the trunk).

Hope this helps someone in another 8 years! :)

--Aaron

Thanks Aaron, this is great info! I actually never got around to getting mine fixed, since I used a digital display and pull from the GM temp sensor (I have a LS swapped Boxster). Will give this a go!

rennpart 06-08-2023 06:58 AM

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--Aaron

Uwe 06-16-2023 10:37 AM

Temp gauge stopped working
 
My temperature gauge stopped working, it simply wouldn't read any longer one morning. The red indicator seems to be working, it comes on with key on, goes out after start. The coolant level sensor system is working also.( slow blink with coolant level low) But the gauge reads nothing. It WAS working fine since the time I bought the car. The chassis is a 2000 Boxster S, the engine was replaced with a low mileage unit from a 2002 Boxster S previous to my ownership. The Coolant sensor inside the coolant jacket driver side engine front is a 4-prong unit, and so is the connector. I bought a coolant sensor specific to this car, but its a 2-prong sensor, so thats no good to me.
Has anyone had tihs experience, and if so, any tips on how to test the gauge itself would be much appreciated.

Starter986 06-16-2023 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uwe (Post 654049)
My temperature gauge stopped working, it simply wouldn't read any longer one morning. The red indicator seems to be working, it comes on with key on, goes out after start. The coolant level sensor system is working also.( slow blink with coolant level low) But the gauge reads nothing. It WAS working fine since the time I bought the car. The chassis is a 2000 Boxster S, the engine was replaced with a low mileage unit from a 2002 Boxster S previous to my ownership. The Coolant sensor inside the coolant jacket driver side engine front is a 4-prong unit, and so is the connector. I bought a coolant sensor specific to this car, but its a 2-prong sensor, so thats no good to me.
Has anyone had tihs experience, and if so, any tips on how to test the gauge itself would be much appreciated.

Hey Joshua Tree. Yucca Valley here.

Have you checked fuse? Relay? Tried "tapping" on gauge shroud?

Uwe 06-16-2023 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 654054)
Hey Joshua Tree. Yucca Valley here.

Have you checked fuse? Relay? Tried "tapping" on gauge shroud?

Tapping, yes. Harder tapping, Yes. Connector on temp sensor wiggling, Yes. Fuse, no. I presume that the temp gauge won't have its own fuse, and everything else works fine except the cruise control, and it's fuse is good. What Relay are you referring to?

Yucca Valley here, too. I use JT because most people know where that is, as opposed to YV.

Starter986 06-17-2023 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uwe (Post 654059)
Tapping, yes. Harder tapping, Yes. Connector on temp sensor wiggling, Yes. Fuse, no. I presume that the temp gauge won't have its own fuse, and everything else works fine except the cruise control, and it's fuse is good. What Relay are you referring to?

Yucca Valley here, too. I use JT because most people know where that is, as opposed to YV.

Relay? Likely no relay. Threw it out there because I didn't check to see if we had one or not. Likely just one fuse for all the gauges.

I use 92262 in my sig because people know where is Palm Springs. :D

We'll connect sooner or later. :cheers:

rennpart 06-19-2023 06:40 PM

Just reporting my findings.

I edited my post.

If you "tap" a 2 wire sensor on an original 4 wire DME/instrument cluster car the instrument cluster temps won't display properly (reads very low)- the additional 2 wires on the 4 wire sensor output different ohms for the dash gauge.

I ended up having to use the 4 wire sensor and run 2 new wires. One is a ground, and the other has to go to the black XR2 connector in the trunk. I ran the ground to the trunk as well and tapped into the original ground source just to be safe.

--Aaron

Uwe 06-28-2023 04:33 PM

Update
 
Replaced 4-prong coolant temp sensor. No result.
So I poked around in the trunk last night checking "stuff" out, I might have found the cause for my malfunctioning coolant temperature gauge. Indeed there are 2 wires running into the forward facing trunk cavity. A brown wire and a blue/red wire, just hanging there outside any of the wire looms in the vicinity. Light tugging produced 2 app. 24in long wires, both cleanly severed from their bros in the engine bay. I suspect rodent damage. The wires would have been severed at the rear end of the engine near the trans, judging by the length that was left.
Wish I had thought of not just verifying its 4 wires, but actually following them to their destination while I had everything unbuttoned last week to replace water pump and thermostat.
I'll be really good at doing the top and carpet tango very soon, I fear.
I am reasonably sure that the wires belong to my temp gauge, not the (possessed by Satan himself) rodent.

Dallas_986 07-08-2023 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rennpart (Post 654128)
Just reporting my findings.

I edited my post.

If you "tap" a 2 wire sensor on an original 4 wire DME/instrument cluster car the instrument cluster temps won't display properly (reads very low)- the additional 2 wires on the 4 wire sensor output different ohms for the dash gauge.

I ended up having to use the 4 wire sensor and run 2 new wires. One is a ground, and the other has to go to the black XR2 connector in the trunk. I ran the ground to the trunk as well and tapped into the original ground source just to be safe.

--Aaron

Aaron,

I’m working through this exact same issue on my car that I replaced the engine on. Could you provide some more detail on how you connected onto the 4 pin temp sensor, got the two “original” wires to the 2 pin connector on the engine harness, and where/how the two “added” wires connect into the XR2 connector?

I’m competent enough with nuts and bolts to do the engine swap but electrical stuff is outside of my knowledge base. Thanks!

Uwe 07-10-2023 09:23 AM

Problem solved
 
My issue was caused by a rodent, most likely. Found several pieces of blue/red wire and brown wire cleanly severed. No rotating components in the area of damage. ran a new 2-wire loom from temps sensor to trunk, connected there and voila! Gauge now works. This after replacing the 4-wire sensor and cleaning the connector with de-oxit.

redpepperracing 07-10-2023 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uwe (Post 654516)
My issue was caused by a rodent, most likely. Found several pieces of blue/red wire and brown wire cleanly severed. No rotating components in the area of damage. ran a new 2-wire loom from temps sensor to trunk, connected there and voila! Gauge now works. This after replacing the 4-wire sensor and cleaning the connector with de-oxit.

Nothing to add, other than to applaud the correct use and spelling of voila.

elgyqc 08-06-2023 09:42 AM

I just finished swapping a replacement engine into my 2000 S and on start-up saw that the temperature gauge was not reacting. This thread seems to have the answer to my problem, I just have to get all the steps straight.
The original engine had a 4 pin temperature sensor and 4 pin connector. The replacement engine (which came from a 2001 S) had a 2 pin sensor and connector.
So I need a 4 pin sensor (have that from the old engine)
A 4 pin connector (I'll have to source that), connect the 2 wires from the 2 pin connector and add 2 other wires from the 4 pin connector to the trunk where 1 goes to ground and the other "has to go to the black XR2 connector in the trunk".
Can someone clarify which pins are which (on the 4 pin connector)?

elgyqc 08-07-2023 03:42 AM

The 4 pin sensor is a VDO 213/4/2 and the connector has the part number 1-965526-1 A, which it seems was made by TE Connectivity but is no longer available on their site. Anyone have another source? Or does anyone have a defective wiring harness with this connector?

elgyqc 08-09-2023 02:57 PM

Mercedes uses the same connector with the part number 210-540-47-81. I'm off to the Mercedes dealer tomorrow...

elgyqc 08-25-2023 01:42 PM

I think I have figured out the details to adapt my 2001 engine to my 2000 car. Most of this information is stated earlier in this thread but the specifics were not clear.
First, where is the X3/1 30 pin connector that needs to have 2 wires added to it?
Here it is in its natural habitat in the trunk.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1692997299.jpg

Here is a picture of the connector that is on the original wiring harness of my 2000 S, on the seized engine that was removed.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1692997318.jpg

This is the connector on the engine harness of the 2001 replacement engine I installed.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1692997340.jpg

Pins 29 and 30 are in the top row of the pictures on the left. As you can see the 2001 connector has pin 29 empty... this is the signal that is missing to make the temperature gauge function.

The engine currently has a 2 pin temperature sensor and the matching 2 pin connector in the wiring harness.
So I have a 4 pin temperature sensor (from the original engine), a 4 pin connector with the 4 female pins (bought from Mercedes Benz for way, way too much money).
The 4 pin connector has to be installed as follows:
Pin 1 - the blue/pink wire that is on pin 1 of the current (2 pin) connector.
Pin 2 - a new wire that will be run into the trunk and connected to the brown wire in position 30 of the 30 pin connector
Pin 3 - a new wire that will be run into the trunk and connected to position 29 of the 30 pin connector. A female connector is needed because that position is empty in the 30 pin.
Pin 4 - the brown/pink wire that is on pin 2 of the current (2 pin) connector.

I plan in drilling a hole in the rubber grommet to route the new wires into the trunk.

I have not as yet done this conversion but am confident that I have it figured out. I will post the results when it is completed.

While looking at my old wiring harness I noticed that there is another 4 pin connector the same as the one for the temperature sensor that is on the bank 2 knock sensor (I think). That could be a source for a connector if you have a damaged wiring harness that can be sacrificed instead of spending $$$$$$ at Mercedes Benz.

elgyqc 09-03-2023 11:08 AM

The sensor and connector are installed with the wiring as outlined in the previous post... and it works!

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1693768085.jpg


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