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greenheckler 12-14-2013 05:34 AM

Cam cover leak on bank 1?
 
2001 Base with 93K mileage

Can someone provide additional advice on:

1. Whether this is something I can DIY and if there is a tutorial or tips on doing it myself? Pictures?
2. Is this something I need to fix quickly? Indy says that the oil may drip on the exhaust and causing smoke / potential fire.

Thank you

JFP in PA 12-14-2013 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenheckler (Post 376536)
2001 Base with 93K mileage

Can someone provide additional advice on:

1. Whether this is something I can DIY and if there is a tutorial or tips on doing it myself? Pictures?
2. Is this something I need to fix quickly? Indy says that the oil may drip on the exhaust and causing smoke / potential fire.

Thank you

It can be done as a DIY, but to remove the cam cover, you will need special tooling to hold the cams (the cover normally does this). You will also need to scrupulously clean the cover and cylinder head mating surfaces, and use a very small bead of Loctite 5900 to create a new seal.

thstone 12-14-2013 07:43 AM

This is a common issue and I have the same problem on my 996. I got a few quotes (expen$ive), so I have also been looking into it as DIY.

There is a DIY here, but its performed with the engine removed from the car so not exactly what we're looking for but it does show the key steps:
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Boxster_Tech/16-ENGINE-Camshaft_Swap_and_Chain_Tensioner/16-ENGINE-Camshaft_Swap_and_Chain_Tensioner.htm

From what I've read, we'd need special cam holding tools (which are not the standard cam locking tool). This is discussed in the Pelican link above and again here: http://986forum.com/forums/performance-technical-chat/45956-pulling-cam-covers.html

Also, many people have said that its highly likely that the cam tensioner pads will also need replacement. Thus, I worry that this is one of those jobs that can grow in scope and difficulty depending on what is found.

I've also read that a few people ended up with the covers leaking worse than before they started.

Right now, I am leaning towards having a shop do mine but the cost keeps me thinking that maybe I can DIY it and save a bundle.

davedeck 12-14-2013 01:26 PM

I have the special cam and liming tools for sale. One is the Pelican tool that sells for $235 and the other is the complete set from Baum that sells for $600. Make me an offer. Used once and I will never tackle the job personally.

woodsman 12-14-2013 02:02 PM

I think the 'book' says it's a 4 hr job per side for a Porsche pro.

JFP in PA 12-14-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davedeck (Post 376596)
I have the special cam and liming tools for sale. One is the Pelican tool that sells for $235 and the other is the complete set from Baum that sells for $600. Make me an offer. Used once and I will never tackle the job personally.

Cam timing tools will not work for this, you need the cam retention tools which are completely different.

thstone 12-14-2013 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woodsman (Post 376604)
I think the 'book' says it's a 4 hr job per side for a Porsche pro.

That usually means that its a 6 hour job for me PLUS $300 for a part that I break PLUS $150 for another tool that I need to install the part that I broke. That is the life of a DIY mechanic. :cool:

greenheckler 12-15-2013 07:20 AM

Thanks everyone. I forgot to mention that my indy quoted me roughly $600 for the job. Based on the feedback, the price doesn't sound too far off from the number of hours you all have estimated.

healthservices 12-17-2013 07:36 AM

The tool is not hard to make.

Gilles 12-17-2013 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 376640)
That usually means that its a 6 hour job for me PLUS $300 for a part that I break PLUS $150 for another tool that I need to install the part that I broke. That is the life of a DIY mechanic. :cool:

The experience: Priceless :-)
LOL...

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The Radium King 12-17-2013 11:15 AM

before you tear into a cam cover replacement, have you confirmed that it isn't in fact your spark plug tubes that are leaking (a common problem)? also, have you re-torqued the cam cover bolts (in proper sequence) to see if that stopped the leak? have you assessed how much is actually leaking? it is typically just a drip, so risk of fire is small and most live with it.

otherwise, as per stone, you get on a slippery slope where you should think about updated tensioner pads, etc., while in there.

san rensho 12-17-2013 11:51 AM

Just take out the 3 or 4 lower cam cover bolts one at a time, clean the bolt meticulously as well as the threads in the head, goober the threads from the head to halfway down the bolt with gasket maker (permatex red works) and reinstall using the proper torque. I did this and while I still get a tiny weep, the leak has almost gone away.

There are also new spec micro-encapsulated bolts that you might want to try.

greenheckler 01-15-2014 08:37 PM

Update - Cam Cover Leak
 
I ended up paying one of our forum members to perform this fix since I did not have the time to do it myself. My spark plug tubes were relatively new (recent DIY) so that was not the issue although the area still had a lot of evidence of the tube leak prior to my install. In addition to resealing the cam cover (passenger side), I also had the oil pan resealed since that was leaking. I'll have to keep an eye on it to see if it continues to leak. See before / after photos below.

For those of you in Southern California (specifically Orange County), Allen (aka healthservices in this forum), did a nice job of resealing and cleaning up the area. Feel free to reach out to him via PM if you need some help. He also works on BMWs and Mercedes.

BEFORE
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1389850117.jpg

AFTER
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1389850172.jpg


OIL PAN
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1389850241.jpg

thstone 01-16-2014 04:15 PM

I finally had my 996 cam covers resealed by my local indy. $1100. They did a perfect job but it was co$tly.

Jamesp 01-16-2014 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 381331)
I finally had my 996 cam covers resealed by my local indy. $1100. They did a perfect job but it was co$tly.

ouch. .

san rensho 01-16-2014 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thstone (Post 381331)
I finally had my 996 cam covers resealed by my local indy. $1100. They did a perfect job but it was co$tly.

How bad was your leak? Did they also replace the tensioner pads and retime the cams when they were there?

thstone 01-18-2014 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by san rensho (Post 381348)
How bad was your leak? Did they also replace the tensioner pads and retime the cams when they were there?

It started as a seep and progressed into a fairly constant drip. The problem was that the drip fell directly on the exhaust headers so I had smoke coming out the back! It looked like the car was getting ready to go up in flames. Didn't do anything other than reseal the covers.


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