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It looks like there is plenty of space between the case wall and the end of the IM shaft for a tube in this picture. But is the shaft pushed back I wonder. Another way to get to the oil may be through one of the lower bolts. |
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Anything that disturbs the oil, in any way will lead to added windage.
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The thinking is to just try to keep a low level of oil behind the bearing, just a supplement to the oil feed the engineers already provide. This would be a very low pressure, low volume pump. I imagine much less than 1 psi and on the order of 1 liter per hour. I drew the seal a little better to show how it is trimmed near the center race to hold oil until it reaches a certain level. I am looking at this as more of a drip system, not a fire hose. |
Spallation seems to be the primary cause for IMS failures. Installing unsealed dual row ceramic bearings reduces it to nil. Although close, the same would be true for single row bearing installations if they had greater load carrying capacity.
So Walter what problem are you trying to solve here? Are you trying to find a lower cost alternative to the IMS Solution which fixes the IMS problem for single row cars because it distributes dynamic loads over a very large area? |
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One issue that leads to wear is longitudinal thrust loads and the ball bearing trying to control them while providing radial support as well. With bank #1 dragging the IMSB sideways and the IMS Tensioner paddle doing the same all these forces challenge both axis of the assembly. |
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I am liking this setup.
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1388788500.jpg http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1388788524.jpg I may have shown too many holes, but it illustrates various routes that may be possible to collect drain-off. |
It would be nice if you could miracle those passageways into place.
I don't concur with this logic about removing oil from the area any more than delivering oil to the area and keeping a ball bearing in place. How do you foresee testing this theory? Do you realize how long it will take to gather trend data that supports if it works or if it doesn't? Ever taken apart an M96? |
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http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1388856896.jpg I have an NSK DDU on order. |
Having now seen all kind of tricks RE "the remedy of the IMSB", I take it that nobody really understand the "real" cause of failure of the IMSB? Would that be correct?
Lack of lubrification, high pressure, oil contaminations, driving style, luck/bad luck, karma, or all of these combined maybe? I respect all those who have brilliant ideas like Walter but man, no prototyping, no testing, no data acquisitions methods, not even a simulation..... you guys have a lot of courage drilling these things |
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Of course, I'd hope that you know about a durometer and how to use it, and why. We were doing the tests that you are now way back in 2007 and they continue as we develop oils with Joe Gibbs Driven Racing Oils, from scratch. Quote:
We are waiting as long as we can after the holidays… However I did recently spill the beans about it in a 5 page interview in a certain publication. :-) Trust that Gen 2 is NOT "better" than the IMS Solution; nothing will be, because nothing else removes the wear components from the equation. Gen 2 is better than Gen 1, and is a mid price point thats far superior to anything else at the same price. In fact, Gen 2 is the same cost as it could cost to simply "spray oil" onto your OEM bearing and accepting all the compromises that come with that. |
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After days and days soaking in oil without a trace of the seal leaking, it appears the Nachi seal is not able to hold back the oil when a torsional load is placed on the bearing. After 24 hours of placing a load so that the inner race is not parallel to the outer race, oil is appearing inside the bearing.
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NSK 6204DU after 40 minutes in oil bath, filled with oil.
The box it came in says DDU, but the seal only says DU. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1389380295.jpg The Nachi seal appears superior to the NSK seal when viewed under a magnifying glass. |
I am considering the possibility of bonding a supplemental seal to a bearings original seal.
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1389464060.jpg One possibility would be to bond a trimmed-down commercially available seal to the existing seal. http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1389463713.jpg Another possibility would be to bond a piece of sheet rubber to the existing seal, and machine a step on the flange which could be done on any good lathe in a few minutes. Supplemental seals might be able to bond to original rubber seals using the same bonding agents that are used to glue O-rings together. Rubber original seals could be bonded to the outer race using a good rubber-metal bonding agent like E6000. I have some rubber-to-rubber samples soaking in oil before I try to tear them apart. Bonding a supplemental seal to a metal original seal (Z or ZZ) would probably be the best, but a rubber-to-rubber seal would probably be the best bond. |
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I give you this, you are brilliant. Sounds like a bullet proof idea |
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