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woodsman 10-10-2013 04:46 PM

No start!
 
While driving home a few days ago the car stumbled a few times and was down on power- didn't want to rev either. Next morning, wouldn't start- turns over fine and a friend can smell fuel at the tailpipe while it's turning over. So, I bought a durametric. Codes are P1133 and 1126. All of the reading here suggests MAF. Today, I looked at all of the fuses and didn't find any blown. The relays in the no. 2 relay block looked good and didn't smell burnt. Why won't it start? Is it flooding itself? Should I unplug the MAF and see if that helps? Help please!

Jager 10-10-2013 10:07 PM

Are these indications of a bad crank position sensor?

Nine8Six 10-10-2013 10:13 PM

Had the coilpack and fuel injectors changed two years ago... very similar symptoms however it didn't happened overnight (more like within a week or so)

JFP in PA 10-11-2013 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by woodsman (Post 366978)
While driving home a few days ago the car stumbled a few times and was down on power- didn't want to rev either. Next morning, wouldn't start- turns over fine and a friend can smell fuel at the tailpipe while it's turning over. So, I bought a durametric. Codes are P1133 and 1126. All of the reading here suggests MAF. Today, I looked at all of the fuses and didn't find any blown. The relays in the no. 2 relay block looked good and didn't smell burnt. Why won't it start? Is it flooding itself? Should I unplug the MAF and see if that helps? Help please!

Neither code has anything to do with the MAF, they are indicating that your have an overly lean condition on bank 2 (cylinders 4-6). Most common faults are an intake air leak, low fuel pressure, bad injectors or low volume of fuel supply. The two of the last three possible are doubtful as low fuel pressure or volume would affect both banks.

I would start by looking for any possible air leaks that could lean out that bank, but for the sake of elimination would hook up a fuel test gauge to the test port and check both pressure and delivery.

woodsman 10-11-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jager (Post 367007)
Are these indications of a bad crank position sensor?

Apparently not.

woodsman 10-11-2013 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nine8Six (Post 367009)
Had the coilpack and fuel injectors changed two years ago... very similar symptoms however it didn't happened overnight (more like within a week or so)

Wow that must have been expensive!

woodsman 10-11-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 367027)
Neither code has anything to do with the MAF, they are indicating that your have an overly lean condition on bank 2 (cylinders 4-6). Most common faults are an intake air leak, low fuel pressure, bad injectors or low volume of fuel supply. The two of the last three possible are doubtful as low fuel pressure or volume would affect both banks.

I would start by looking for any possible air leaks that could lean out that bank, but for the sake of elimination would hook up a fuel test gauge to the test port and check both pressure and delivery.

OK thanks JFP, I'll head in that direction. Any ideas why it won't start?

JFP in PA 10-11-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by woodsman (Post 367073)
OK thanks JFP, I'll head in that direction. Any ideas why it won't start?

Consider my fuel pressure and delivery volume test mentioned above.....

Nine8Six 10-11-2013 11:32 AM

What about those $19.99 fuel pressure tester you find in the Auto store, are they compatible with the fuel test port on the 986?

Nine8Six 10-11-2013 11:40 AM

edit above

woodsman 10-11-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 367074)
Consider my fuel pressure and delivery volume test mentioned above.....

okay I'll try to buy one that fits today. Thanks

woodsman 10-11-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Nine8Six (Post 367079)
What about those $19.99 fuel pressure tester you find in the Auto store, are they compatible with the fuel test port on the 986?

So far I've only located one for $60 and Porsche wasn't included in it's list of
recommended vehicles. My baby's VERY sick- I'm worried.

Nine8Six 10-11-2013 12:14 PM

Not sick, she just had enough of you and taking a break for a few days ;) What I've learn on the 986 is when they are still good enough to throw accurate codes at you, it always ends up to be a small problem.

Once you've slammed in an aftermarket (NEW) fuel pump in it, she'll wake up again. Hoping it's only the FP (overnight failure like this... like JFP said I can't imagine anything else)

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The Radium King 10-11-2013 12:15 PM

quick search indicates maf as the general culprit. unplug it and see what happens.

woodsman 10-11-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nine8Six (Post 367090)
Not sick, she just had enough of you and taking a break for a few days ;) What I've learn on the 986 is when they are still good enough to throw accurate codes at you, it always ends up to be a small problem.

Once you've slammed in an aftermarket (NEW) fuel pump in it, she'll wake up again. Hoping it's only the FP (overnight failure like this... like JFP said I can't imagine anything else)

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She got me home- now she's REALLY sick- no start! I owe her big time and I'm committed to healing her! And no forced induction EVER- the IMSB will shatter!!!:eek:

woodsman 10-11-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Radium King (Post 367091)
quick search indicates maf as the general culprit. unplug it and see what happens.

What's your source for the de-coding? I've found 3 different charts! It's a little confusing!

JFP in PA 10-11-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by woodsman (Post 367096)
What's your source for the de-coding? I've found 3 different charts! It's a little confusing!

The MAF has little impact below 3,500 - 4,000 RPM, it should not impact starting....

The Radium King 10-11-2013 01:23 PM

fair enough. I just googled the codes and they show up together pretty consistently and seem to almost always point to maf in the results. but yeah, it should still start, unless the trims perhaps are all screwed up or something?

Bigsmoothlee 10-11-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 367099)
The MAF has little impact below 3,500 - 4,000 RPM, it should not impact starting....

It can impact starting if its shorted out. Although it is unusual.

Id recommend unplugging the sensor and seeing if it fires up.

If that doesnt do it, check for spark, fuel pressure, and injector pulse. If you cant check for injector pulse, a lack of both spark and fuel delivery will be enough to condemn the main relay or the crank position sensor.

The reason you wont see spark of fuel with a bad crank sensor is because the ECU needs to see 150-200 rpm ( cranking ) before closing the relay and sending spark and injector pulse signals....

woodsman 10-11-2013 03:21 PM

I'm going to try locating a fuel press. tester today and then I'll also try unplugging the MAF' tonight. I would think that the crank sen. would cost the least.... Thanks for the help folks. It's soon time to put baby away for winter so I'm anxious to get this solved!


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