who would win? - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

porscheguy · 12-10-2005, 03:07 PM

If a 99 tiptronic boxster were to race a 2001 CLK 430 Cab who would win?
Would it be a close race?
i think im leaning toward the clk

Frank · 12-10-2005, 03:14 PM

The CLK430 would win.My dad was driving the 2000 CLK320 while I was driving the 99 boxster tiptronic and it was neck and neck coming off a light till 75 MPH when we both let off the gas since the speed limit was 50.Now,the clk430 has a bigger engine, so I would say it would be slowly pulling in front.

Adam · 12-10-2005, 03:59 PM

I would put my money on the Merc.

Brucelee · 12-10-2005, 04:03 PM

Depends on the race course and driver.

Adam · 12-10-2005, 07:13 PM

I'm thinking he was talking strictly drap racing and since both cars are auto's not much driver skill would be involved.

Brucelee · 12-11-2005, 05:51 AM

In a straight up drag, I would imagine the Merc would do the trick.

blinkwatt · 12-11-2005, 11:08 PM

Those stats are based on runs in different temp./weather/track/drivers. Car & Driver stats and all those are all gonna be different and just give you a general idea. I have seen manufactures claims be beaten time and time again by independent testing. According to Car & Driver stats the 2.5L 5 speed can beat a CLK 430,its not about HP and Torque but about how efficient it is. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE DRIVER. I myself have beaten those "5.0" mustangs with a 5 speed,300Hp and i'm guessing plenty more torque then my Boxster(Untampered 2.5L). A friend of mine says my Boxster fells faster then his '95 M3. I guess its all up to the driver.

TriGem2k · 12-12-2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by blinkwatt

Those stats are based on runs in different temp./weather/track/drivers. Car & Driver stats and all those are all gonna be different and just give you a general idea. I have seen manufactures claims be beaten time and time again by independent testing. According to Car & Driver stats the 2.5L 5 speed can beat a CLK 430,its not about HP and Torque but about how efficient it is. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE DRIVER. I myself have beaten those "5.0" mustangs with a 5 speed,300Hp and i'm guessing plenty more torque then my Boxster(Untampered 2.5L). A friend of mine says my Boxster fells faster then his '95 M3. I guess its all up to the driver.

HAHAH your right Robert. But i gotta tell you man you can't really know til you drive both cars. Ive driven MBZ ranging from C230 to SL65 AMG. Honestly i would NEVER want any of them, cant stand Benz, But they have power. I honestly don't think that the 2.5L can do it, and maybe not even the 2.7L. Id put my money on the Mereceds to take the box every time.

And as far as the mustang is concered, lol they blow until you get up to the Mach 1 and Cobra range. Oh and i hope there arent guys here that really think they can take a Mach 1 or Cobra Mustang straight drag....

Brucelee · 12-12-2005, 05:40 AM

In a drag race, I do think the Merc will hammer an older Box. However, I had one in inventory once and did not like it at all, but it had decent acceleration.

Seems you have to make turns ever once in a while ............

Adam · 12-12-2005, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TriGem2k

. Oh and i hope there arent guys here that really think they can take a Mach 1 or Cobra Mustang straight drag....

I raced a stock 305hp 98 Slobra from a roll and a dig and he got walked by a few car lengths both times. Late 90's Cobras suspossedly didn't deliver the kind of power ford was advertising. The newer S/C'ed Corbra is a seriously quick machine especially with a few relatively inexpensive mods.

Blinkwatt is right about the car results comparisons. They can only give you general idea of the cars speed because they were all done with different drivers on different days and venues.

TriGem2k · 12-13-2005, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam

I raced a stock 305hp 98 Slobra from a roll and a dig and he got walked by a few car lengths both times. Late 90's Cobras suspossedly didn't deliver the kind of power ford was advertising. The newer S/C'ed Corbra is a seriously quick machine especially with a few relatively inexpensive mods.

Blinkwatt is right about the car results comparisons. They can only give you general idea of the cars speed because they were all done with different drivers on different days and venues.

Adamn you try running either a 2000+ Cobra or Mach 1?

Adam · 12-13-2005, 09:35 PM

I have not had the chance to race either of those yet but I will if I ever get a chance. Judging from the performance numbers a Mach 1 would be a very close race for a Box S. They seem to run high 13's like the boxster. The 320hp cobra's would be more of a challenge but certainly not impossible to beat if the boxster was driving well and the other guy doesn't really know what he is doing. If I ever get a chance at either I will post up what happens.

Dr. Kill · 12-30-2005, 10:29 AM

It is funny to hear Boxster owners talk about beating stock Mustang GTs. As a former owner of several Mustangs, I remember the guys on Mustangworld.com and Stangnet talking about beating Boxsters with ease. It is nice to see that we all love the cars we own.

I think that what several people mentioned above is critical – the driver - especially with the MT cars. I don’t know whether my last GT was faster than my 987 or not, but I can tell you that the 987 is MUCH easier to drive fast. The back end of the Stang is so light and the suspension so poor that a good launch is incredibly difficult. I imagine with me driving, I would get better ¼ mile times in the 987, but maybe somebody with serious talent might pull a better time in the ‘Stang, I don’t know. The other factor here is mods. Yes this is an academic question, but in reality, it is quite common for a street GT to be modded with inexpensive parts that will provide some very serious performance increases. In fact, I didn’t know any enthusiast drivers who did not have at least a couple of things done. I personally went nuts modding my GT until it was complete monster (much faster than my 987 and still only around $25k new including all of the parts).

Adam · 12-30-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Kill

It is funny to hear Boxster owners talk about beating stock Mustang GTs. As a former owner of several Mustangs, I remember the guys on Mustangworld.com and Stangnet talking about beating Boxsters with ease. It is nice to see that we all love the cars we own.

I totally agree, the driver is a central variable. The guys on the stang board talking about beating boxsters with ease were probably racing 2.5L's and maybe some 2.7's.. I'm sure most of those guys don't know the difference between a base and an S. The stock and bolt-on Gt's should be able to see the dual outlet muffler as the boxster S is passing them. That's the dead give-away.

Ghostrider 310 · 12-31-2005, 01:56 PM

And as far as the mustang is concered, lol they blow until you get up to the Mach 1 and Cobra range. Oh and i hope there arent guys here that really think they can take a Mach 1 or Cobra Mustang straight drag....[/QUOTE]

A straight drag isn't much of a measuring stick in overall performance. Passed by a stang on the highway I shadowed for a while, as soon as it got twisty on came his brakelights, I was on throttle. Blew by him at a good clip, he tried to catch me for a few miles but my car's ass was his only view. His car didn't have stability in the top end, handling or brakes. He was soundly spanked, that was with a 20+ year old 944....Alfa Romeo had a good line about it:

It's not how fast you go, it's how you go fast.

Brucelee · 12-31-2005, 02:36 PM

Those 944s handle very nicely indeed.