who would win?

[porscheguy]

If a 99 tiptronic boxster were to race a 2001 CLK 430 Cab who would win?
Would it be a close race?
i think im leaning toward the clk

[Frank]

The CLK430 would win.My dad was driving the 2000 CLK320 while I was driving the 99 boxster tiptronic and it was neck and neck coming off a light till 75 MPH when we both let off the gas since the speed limit was 50.Now,the clk430 has a bigger engine, so I would say it would be slowly pulling in front.

[Adam]

I would put my money on the Merc.

[Brucelee]

Depends on the race course and driver.

[Adam]

I'm thinking he was talking strictly drap racing and since both cars are auto's not much driver skill would be involved.

[Brucelee]

In a straight up drag, I would imagine the Merc would do the trick.

[TriGem2k]

No contest at ALL! The CLK 430 will take it from the get go. The 99 2.5L even in a manual would be a no contest to the Benz. The benz runs 4.3L 275HP 295LBS Torque...

[Adam]

A manual 2.5L with a good driver could beat the merc. A tip on the other hand would may have some troubles keeping up. The CLK 430 must be quite a heifer considering how slow it is with that V8 power!

2.5L with stick(could not find #'s for Tip)
http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx

2002 CLK 430
http://www.car-videos.net/performance/view.asp?id1=178&id2=0

[TriGem2k]

Originally Posted by Adam

A manual 2.5L with a good driver could beat the merc. A tip on the other hand would may have some troubles keeping up. The CLK 430 must be quite a heifer considering how slow it is with that V8 power!

2.5L with stick(could not find #'s for Tip)
http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx

2002 CLK 430
http://www.car-videos.net/performance/view.asp?id1=178&id2=0

Boxster S for comparisons sake
http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx

996 cabbie for comparsions sake
http://www.car-videos.net/performance/view.asp?id1=178&id2=0

You might want to question the credibility of the stats listed as according to that site the 2.5L 201HP Boxster time 0-60 is 6.2 seconds but the 2001 220HP Boxster is 6.6????? Ya can you explain that one please?

Ya the 2.5L is more of a 7second car 0-60....sorry to disappoint you guys but the 2.5L wasn’t very fast. I’m not hating on the boxster either I have a 2001 and we also owned a 1997 until it was stolen.

On top of all things ive never been a Mercedes fan even though we own multiple models. But im not gonna sit here and give credit where its not due.

[blinkwatt]

Those stats are based on runs in different temp./weather/track/drivers. Car & Driver stats and all those are all gonna be different and just give you a general idea. I have seen manufactures claims be beaten time and time again by independent testing. According to Car & Driver stats the 2.5L 5 speed can beat a CLK 430,its not about HP and Torque but about how efficient it is. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE DRIVER. I myself have beaten those "5.0" mustangs with a 5 speed,300Hp and i'm guessing plenty more torque then my Boxster(Untampered 2.5L). A friend of mine says my Boxster fells faster then his '95 M3. I guess its all up to the driver.

[TriGem2k]

Originally Posted by blinkwatt

Those stats are based on runs in different temp./weather/track/drivers. Car & Driver stats and all those are all gonna be different and just give you a general idea. I have seen manufactures claims be beaten time and time again by independent testing. According to Car & Driver stats the 2.5L 5 speed can beat a CLK 430,its not about HP and Torque but about how efficient it is. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE DRIVER. I myself have beaten those "5.0" mustangs with a 5 speed,300Hp and i'm guessing plenty more torque then my Boxster(Untampered 2.5L). A friend of mine says my Boxster fells faster then his '95 M3. I guess its all up to the driver.

HAHAH your right Robert. But i gotta tell you man you can't really know til you drive both cars. Ive driven MBZ ranging from C230 to SL65 AMG. Honestly i would NEVER want any of them, cant stand Benz, But they have power. I honestly don't think that the 2.5L can do it, and maybe not even the 2.7L. Id put my money on the Mereceds to take the box every time.

And as far as the mustang is concered, lol they blow until you get up to the Mach 1 and Cobra range. Oh and i hope there arent guys here that really think they can take a Mach 1 or Cobra Mustang straight drag....

[Brucelee]

In a drag race, I do think the Merc will hammer an older Box. However, I had one in inventory once and did not like it at all, but it had decent acceleration.

Seems you have to make turns ever once in a while ............

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TriGem2k

. Oh and i hope there arent guys here that really think they can take a Mach 1 or Cobra Mustang straight drag....

I raced a stock 305hp 98 Slobra from a roll and a dig and he got walked by a few car lengths both times. Late 90's Cobras suspossedly didn't deliver the kind of power ford was advertising. The newer S/C'ed Corbra is a seriously quick machine especially with a few relatively inexpensive mods.

Blinkwatt is right about the car results comparisons. They can only give you general idea of the cars speed because they were all done with different drivers on different days and venues.

[TriGem2k]

Originally Posted by Adam

I raced a stock 305hp 98 Slobra from a roll and a dig and he got walked by a few car lengths both times. Late 90's Cobras suspossedly didn't deliver the kind of power ford was advertising. The newer S/C'ed Corbra is a seriously quick machine especially with a few relatively inexpensive mods.

Blinkwatt is right about the car results comparisons. They can only give you general idea of the cars speed because they were all done with different drivers on different days and venues.

Adamn you try running either a 2000+ Cobra or Mach 1?

[Adam]

I have not had the chance to race either of those yet but I will if I ever get a chance. Judging from the performance numbers a Mach 1 would be a very close race for a Box S. They seem to run high 13's like the boxster. The 320hp cobra's would be more of a challenge but certainly not impossible to beat if the boxster was driving well and the other guy doesn't really know what he is doing. If I ever get a chance at either I will post up what happens.

[TriGem2k]

Originally Posted by Adam

I have not had the chance to race either of those yet but I will if I ever get a chance. Judging from the performance numbers a Mach 1 would be a very close race for a Box S. They seem to run high 13's like the boxster. The 320hp cobra's would be more of a challenge but certainly not impossible to beat if the boxster was driving well and the other guy doesn't really know what he is doing. If I ever get a chance at either I will post up what happens.

Adam the Cobra pushed 400Hp with 400lbs of torque....Have fun smelling his exhaust fumes

Oh and the Mach 1 pushes 310hp with 335lbs of torque....Have fun with that one as well.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TriGem2k

Adam the Cobra pushed 400Hp with 400lbs of torque....Have fun smelling his exhaust fumes

Oh and the Mach 1 pushes 310hp with 335lbs of torque....Have fun with that one as well.

Umm...ok. Who was talking about beating the 390hp/390ft/lb 03+ Supercharged cobra? Not me. How about you reread the above posts. I said that car was fast paticularly with mods and I know a boxster has no chance.

The Mach 1 is not that fast, I don't no why you think it is....here are it's stats.
http://www.car-videos.net/performance/view.asp?id1=226&id2=0

As I said before the Boxster S and a Mach 1 are nearly dead even.

Here are the stats for the SVT 2000-2002 cobra.. while it is faster than a box s, I wouldn't say blows it away especially if the Boxster driver is better as I mentioned above.
http://www.car-videos.net/performance/view.asp?id1=238&id2=0

Here are some 2003 Boxster S stats...
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0305_boxz4/index4.html

I think you fail to realize(as most newbs do) that it's not all about total hp, but HP TO WEIGHT. Maybe you should do some research before you open your mouth newbie.

[TriGem2k]

I think you fail to realize(as most newbs do) that it's not all about total hp, but HP TO WEIGHT. Maybe you should do some research before you open your mouth newbie.[/QUOTE]


Adam you’re a funny guy.... I think your calling the wrong guy a newbie... We OWN and I have driven more cars in my 19years of age then you can even think about. A couple of guys on this forum know me a little better.

I would hope everyone on this forum knows it’s not all about the HP...I for one have taken almost a half dozen driving lessons in the past 2years. I've had personal lessons from actual formula 1 drivers which happen to be clients of my family for over 15years. I just know better than to think the Boxster is a fast car, because it’s not at all. And for the record I have beaten many cars from just sheer drivers skill.

The Boxster just so happens to be one of two inexpensive cars that we own and is my daily driver. Our garage goes through more exotics than you can dream of. The most recent came in about a month or so ago...Ferrari 612 Scaglietti (I attached a picture)....And that’s my Van behind it. They are all "toys".

I do not need to do any research on a topic in which I am quite familiar with...I am just not naive in thinking that the Boxster is FAST.

You might want to broaden your view of other cars, and realize that there are better cars out there.

*Hope my post does not offend anyone*

**Own a 2001 Boxster 44k miles**

Photo of the Ferrari was taken day of deliverly 11/9/2005.

[Brucelee]

I like that Italian car. Frankly, I like most things Italian.

I had this Italian girlfriend once ..........

For comparsion sake, my dad owns a 2002 Benz E320, he rocked me....i know i'm never racing him again, the benzo has power trust me. i think i need a ferrari if were talkin about fast $260,000. but if speed is so much of a concern in a $60,000 kar, then you really should be looking at a porsche turbo 911 2006....seee u