Overheated to 250, died on side of highway, left stranded

[Ghostrider 310]

Originally Posted by 986_inquiry

IMS was not listed as a part, I do not know I that is being replaced, I would assume not but you are correct I would have that replaced before install so add that to the 7k

Surely they would include IMS in that price though, right? As often as those fail, no shop would quote a engine install without it, right?

I'm sure if you green light the project at the very least they would wave the labor on an IMS, if not they may be just a tad greedy. Just so you know my failure was not IMS so as others have said thinking each one is going to explode is far from truthful, I'd barter for one anyhow though if it were me.

[Topless]

Originally Posted by 986_inquiry

IMS was not listed as a part, I do not know I that is being replaced, I would assume not but you are correct I would have that replaced before install so add that to the 7k

Surely they would include IMS in that price though, right? As often as those fail, no shop would quote a engine install without it, right?

I am sure they will only include it if they list it in the estimate as "included". A motor replacement certainly would not automatically include any possible upgrades. That would be a motor "refresh and replacement". Read the fine print and make sure you know what is/is not included. Now is a great time to have the IMS done because the motor will be out and save $1000 in labor costs.

[986_inquiry]

Test drove the 2003 on ebay. Didn't like it, it was slower, at highway speeds. Seems Porsche
Changed the shift points because 4th now comes in at ~100 instead of ~92mph like my 98. 3rd just isn't as fast on the 03 as it was on my 98

So now I'm really in a jam. Can't get a newer Base boxster because even though it's faster on paper it's slower in real life

[Boxster586]

"Can't get a newer Base boxster because even though it's faster on paper it's slower in real life"



Those are fighting words kid Best of luck with whatever you decide. If I were you, I'd likely sell the car outright without the motor and get newer S model. The gearing and additional power may be a better fit for your driving style.

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by Boxster586

"Can't get a newer Base boxster because even though it's faster on paper it's slower in real life"



Those are fighting words kid!

Lol!! From 60-90 it is my opinion that a 2.5 manual is faster than a 2.7 manual..... again, that's my opinion, from my personal experiences. Mayb I had a "fast" 2.5 and I test drove a "slow" 2.7, not every engine is created equal

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by Boxster586

If I were you, I'd likely sell the car outright without the motor and get newer S model. The gearing and additional power may be a better fit for your driving style.

I still owe a few grand on mine, so it's not quite so simple


But I believe you are right. Based on the 99 and 03 I drove, my options are either new engine, very well maintained 2.5 manual, or S. this changes the equation a bit.

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by Boxster586

"Can't get a newer Base boxster because even though it's faster on paper it's slower in real life"



Those are fighting words kid Best of luck with whatever you decide. If I were you, I'd likely sell the car outright without the motor and get newer S model. The gearing and additional power may be a better fit for your driving style.

Originally Posted by 986_inquiry

I still owe a few grand on mine, so it's not quite so simple


But I believe you are right. Based on the 99 and 03 I drove, my options are either new engine, very well maintained 2.5 manual, or S. this changes the equation a bit.

I think I next I need to see what type of auto loan I could qualify for. Called place I bought boxster from and said I'm good but didn't say how high. Think I'll call current lender, explain situation, see if they'll give me another loan and roll currently loan with new loan. If enough maybe S is a possibility?

If I don't qualify then engine swap might be the only option for now

[vitaminC]

Originally Posted by 986_inquiry

I think I next I need to see what type of auto loan I could qualify for. Called place I bought boxster from and said I'm good but didn't say how high. Think I'll call current lender, explain situation, see if they'll give me another loan and roll currently loan with new loan. If enough maybe S is a possibility?

Would you really want to be that upside down in car that is still depreciating and may also experience mechanical distress? Maybe it's better to take some time to build up some play money before jumping into a different 986.

[jdiba]

986, been away from the forum for a week. Been reading this entire thread to get caught up
on your situation. It bummed me out to read what happened to your car. I can tell reading your
posts you're a good dude and this situation just sucks. You also sound like a genuine lover of
the Boxster. I hope you either get your engine replaced or pick up a new Box soon. You
deserve alot better than the hand you've been dealt. I know this is absolutely no consolation
whatsoever to you, but each one of these stories that get posted regarding a Boxster (mostly
the engine) having suffered a failure provides alot of insight and experience to others who may
end up suffering the same fate, or your experience shared here may prevent another owner
from suffering that similar fate. This is a good community (this forum) and the knowledge I
have gained from these cats has been invaluable to me. As has been the lessons learned in
YOUR story as well. I'm hoping for the best for you and that you can be behind the wheel of
another Box soon and that once again you will be smiling as a result of it !

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by jdiba

986, been away from the forum for a week. Been reading this entire thread to get caught up
on your situation. It bummed me out to read what happened to your car. I can tell reading your
posts you're a good dude and this situation just sucks. You also sound like a genuine lover of
the Boxster. I hope you either get your engine replaced or pick up a new Box soon. You
deserve alot better than the hand you've been dealt. I know this is absolutely no consolation
whatsoever to you, but each one of these stories that get posted regarding a Boxster (mostly
the engine) having suffered a failure provides alot of insight and experience to others who may
end up suffering the same fate, or your experience shared here may prevent another owner
from suffering that similar fate. This is a good community (this forum) and the knowledge I
have gained from these cats has been invaluable to me. As has been the lessons learned in
YOUR story as well. I'm hoping for the best for you and that you can be behind the wheel of
another Box soon and that once again you will be smiling as a result of it !

thanks, thanks for the vote of confidence I try to be a good dude, few years ago... i guess you could say, i started believing in karma? Sorta? I mean, I wasn't a bad guy before, but... some things happened, and i'm like, oh wow, there is... something, else, going on, that i... that we, don't understand, and dont believe, but... yeah, it's... real. Ok. Well, then. Um, I better... be good So, ever since then, I've tried to.... be good, just, i mean, sometimes, i do things that other people might not think is good, like the guy you have to fire because he damaged a customer's property, you don't want to and he might think you're "evil" but yeah, he damaged someone's property, so you have to. That's where I am, sorta. But I won't even "borrow" a pen from work, stealing is stealing. I know, sounds silly, just... yeah, it's how i am now, and things have worked out rather well, even when it seems like it's not everything happens for a reason...

I'm still on the fence, but i've narrowed it down to S or engine. Due to some.... accidents, by credit bureau, my credit is not where it should be, and I just recently found that out. I'm mailing letters out: How to Dispute Credit Report Errors

also if anyone's looking to build their credit, this site is great https://www.creditkarma.com/ and they don't charge fees, instead the make $ by advertising credit offers, etc to you

I don't own it or work for it or anything, but it's been very handy recently, wish I would have found it earlier, I would be buying an S today

[Overdrive]

Realize too that there is the IMS bearing retrofit and the IMS upgrade, two different solutions, the latter being the more complete, and more expensive, solution to the IMS issue. The retrofit is simply a replacement of the IMS bearing with the more robust LN Engineering one. The upgrade is exactly what it says, an upgrade of the IMS bearing to a "triple-bearing" style one. That requires disassembly of the engine and sending them IMS out to have the work done by someone like Jake Raby. Obviously you're talking a lot more money there, but the engine's not in the car yet, so it makes more sense to have one of those things done then before the engine ever makes it into the car.

Also, just keep in mind, that's only one failure point addressed, and there are still several others that exist on these engines, so while it takes care of a big problem, there are still many other things to check and possibly address on a used engine (things like chain guides, water pump, cylinder sleeve slipping/cracking, air/oil separator, etc.). Since you're dealing with a Porsche specialist, I expect they'll know what to look for and spot any of these issues on any block they look for.

[986_inquiry]

Called mechanic that started all this. He completely denies any wrong doing but is willing to call insurance and see if this is covered

I use to be a licensed insurance agent in Missouri, and there are policies that would cover something like this. It's usually called errors and omissions or professional liability, like if u called to pay insurance or something and they forgot to enter it and policy cancelled and u get in wreck, errors and omissions would cover. Basically covers whenever a professional says the wrong thing or makes a mistake at work

[Overdrive]

...so he's denying any wrongdoing until he can be sure that someone can cover him, then he'll admit to everything? It's too bad you don't have a recording of that phone call.

[bar10dah]

Given the information posted already, my personal choice would be to buy the motor from Raby and have Reid Vann install it.

1) you get to keep your already near perfect car
2) no telling what issues your "new" S would have

[Jake Raby]

It sounds to me like you are less than concerned with the financial feeding frenzy these lenders can stick you with than the total it's going to cost to repair the engine/ car. Don't think about what this costs per month, add it all up as one big total in the end.

Financing repairs or etc on a car that's 13 years old makes it easy to get upside down.. Lenders do not have your best interest in mind. Thinking about things only on a monthly basis is what lenders look for as their prey, and that mindset didn't help the current state of our upside down economy.

Porsches cost more to own than they do to buy, always have. I learned that before I even had a drivers license.

[BruceH]

Originally Posted by bar10dah

Given the information posted already, my personal choice would be to buy the motor from Raby and have Reid Vann install it.

1) you get to keep your already near perfect car
2) no telling what issues your "new" S would have

I would have to agree. I would rather go with a known than an unknown. The Raby engine is going to be good and you already know your car. There are other ways to finance such as a personal loan from your local credit union. Yes the rate is higher than an auto loan but less than a CC. Plus, it sounds like you would pay it off fairly quickly, thus not too much in interest expense. Tough choices though.

[Jake Raby]

I'd like to add that the engine I have is used and cheap.. The price I gave him on the engine is for the used engine as is, no upgrades to include the IMS. That can be done for added money.

The reality is it could run for 100 miles or 1,000 miles or 100k miles as it is a used OEM engine that does not have a guarantee of anything other than the fact that it will break or wear out at some point. No unicorns or rainbows with any use engine, that's why I have only sold two used engines in a decade.

The sale of any used engine is final, this engine made excellent power on my dyno and ran too good to be stripped down and made bigger. That's the extent of what we know about it. If it scatters to bits tomorrow, that's the risk that comes with the territory.

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

I'd like to add that the engine I have is used and cheap.. The price I gave him on the engine is for the used engine as is, no upgrades to include the IMS. That can be done for added money.

The reality is it could run for 100 miles or 1,000 miles or 100k miles as it is a used OEM engine that does not have a guarantee of anything other than the fact that it will break or wear out at some point. No unicorns or rainbows with any use engine, that's why I have only sold two used engines in a decade.

The sale of any used engine is final, this engine made excellent power on my dyno and ran too good to be stripped down and made bigger. That's the extent of what we know about it. If it scatters to bits tomorrow, that's the risk that comes with the territory.

.... i wasn't expecting a 100,000 miles warranty, but.... this sort of sounds... scary....

I don't expect Reid Vann to give me a 100,000 mile warranty either, but at least it was the engine they chose and they installed, so if there is a problem, they *might* be more willing to cut me some slack, where if I bring in a engine and had problems they might say "told ya so"

so I appreciate the offer, it was very kind, but I will pass

[boxster6354]

Hey guy been reading the thread and also sorry for the loss, but I had one question:

With you having a loan on the car I would assume you had to provide full coverage insurance on the car, why not put a claim for total loss ?

[986_inquiry]

Originally Posted by boxster6354

Hey guy been reading the thread and also sorry for the loss, but I had one question:

With you having a loan on the car I would assume you had to provide full coverage insurance on the car, why not put a claim for total loss ?

engine blowing up is not something covered by insurance, unless there was a fire or something that caused other structural damage