Problems with New 991

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Ckrikos

Time will tell. I'm hoping my mezger engine porsche appreciates like the 993's.

Part of me thinks they'll do better than many air-cooled cars.
Those pre-996 cars need expensive rebuilds, leak and can't be driven the way you'd drive a water-cooled dry sump.

In other words, keeping up a 993 will be costly and the car will have limited use when compared to the 996/997 GT's and Turbo that will be easier and less costly to maintain, , will provide more power but still with a manual trans. As a result the pool of people willing to invest in the upkeep may end up being bigger than the pool of 993 buyers. Specifically I'm thinking of the guys who will want to track/DE theirs while 993's will become rare birds at such events. And at the end of the day the water-cooled Mezgers were not produced in nearly the numbers that the street-engine 996/997/991 were. There's a certain sweet spot there for 996/997 GT3 and Turbo... kinda like the 964 being the first modern 911 but still with one foot in the old school of limited supply.

[Porsche9]

We will see. Hey even 944s are starting to see some appreciation and they made a ton of them. Our Boxsters are still depreciating and will do so for some time plus there are a lot of them. A lot of Boxsters will need to go to the crusher to get the numbers down and time has to pass before people want to have what they had in the past, a modern but still relatively simple sports car. People have forgotten how hugely successful the Boxster was on launch and that it essentially allowed Porsche to remain independent and go onto the powerhouse it is today.

On the 991 video I am sure there is more to the story but hopefully it comes to a good resolution. I doubt that JD Power would rank Porsche so highly if this situation was the norm.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by Porsche9

We will see. Hey even 944s are starting to see some appreciation and they made a ton of them. Our Boxsters are still depreciating and will do so for some time plus there are a lot of them. A lot of Boxsters will need to go to the crusher to get the numbers down and time has to pass before people want to have what they had in the past, a modern but still relatively simple sports car. People have forgotten how hugely successful the Boxster was on launch and that it essentially allowed Porsche to remain independent and go onto the powerhouse it is today.

On the 991 video I am sure there is more to the story but hopefully it comes to a good resolution. I doubt that JD Power would rank Porsche so highly if this situation was the norm.

Remain independent?

[tomc88]

Originally Posted by jb92563

I would think that Fiat would want to buy his car so they can learn how to improve their own product line.

Wouldn't the Lemon laws protect a buyer from this in-humane torture, or does that only apply to yellow cars or people that speak American.

I don't understand how he can keep from going postal.
The Brit in him must be allowing his extreme restraint although he did drop a few F-bombs here and there which means that he is awfully close to the tipping point.

For gods sake Porsche help this poor soul before its too late.

I'll bet the stealership lets him eat all the cookies he wants without even raising an eye-brow.

LOL - the "Brit in him?!" - serioulsy
He is australian (or possibly New Zeeland)
He sounds nothing like a brit.

[tonycarreon]

Originally Posted by WhipE350

What ever happen to lemon laws. Maybe I should find his other videos and see if he talks about it.

he's working his way through.
apparently at one point PCNA was going to buy the car back from him, but have decided to continue throwing parts at it hoping it's fixed and he'll keep the car.

the other videos are interesting as well.

mirrors automatically go down
random no starts
dash and electronics stop working
smoke from the windows
window rolls down
bad rear sensor

iirc this was the 8th trip in 6 months of ownership to the dealer for warranty work. he does mention that even the service advisor has said that the car is beyond repair and PCNA should take it back.

jake's bad grounding post is interesting. i would hope that in all those visits someone would have noticed it, but i wouldn't be surprised.

[ekam]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Hold your horses before you say lexus takes care of their customers haha!

Lexus taking care of customers...

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[crod]

Originally Posted by tonycarreon

he's working his way through.
apparently at one point PCNA was going to buy the car back from him, but have decided to continue throwing parts at it hoping it's fixed and he'll keep the car.

the other videos are interesting as well.

mirrors automatically go down
random no starts
dash and electronics stop working
smoke from the windows
window rolls down
bad rear sensor

iirc this was the 8th trip in 6 months of ownership to the dealer for warranty work. he does mention that even the service advisor has said that the car is beyond repair and PCNA should take it back.

jake's bad grounding post is interesting. i would hope that in all those visits someone would have noticed it, but i wouldn't be surprised.

Almost the same that happened with my Cayenne, bought brand new in 2006. Had all sorts of issues and over 48 months the car spent a full month at the dealer (in multiple visits). At one point I had to take pictures from the dash clearly showing the errors as they could not retrieve anything from the computer logs on the car. Once I did that Porsche stopped trying to charge me for diagnosing non-existent problems (according to them). Most of the issues were addressed but not all.

It was really funny to see the guy Porsche sent from Germany to work on a Carrera GT that had gremlins all over at the same dealer, then moving on and working on my Cayenne, trying to fix it. He almost got it right. LOL

Needless to say, once warranty was over, car was gone.

CR

[ekam]

Originally Posted by crod

Almost the same that happened with my Cayenne, bought brand new in 2006. Had all sorts of issues and over 48 months the car spent a full month at the dealer (in multiple visits). At one point I had to take pictures from the dash clearly showing the errors as they could not retrieve anything from the computer logs on the car. Once I did that Porsche stopped trying to charge me for diagnosing non-existent problems (according to them). Most of the issues were addressed but not all.

It was really funny to see the guy Porsche sent from Germany to work on a Carrera GT that had gremlins all over at the same dealer, then moving on and working on my Cayenne, trying to fix it. He almost got it right. LOL

Needless to say, once warranty was over, car was gone.

CR

So typical of early Cayennes and dealer mechanic "troubleshooting".

*plugs computer in* Computer shows no code.

"There, it's fixed!"

A monkey can plug the car to the computer and call themselves mechanic these days.

[BIGJake111]

Speaking of worries of tech in new cars failing. I feel terrible for the people buying the new hyundais.

[Jake Raby]

jake's bad grounding post is interesting. i would hope that in all those visits someone would have noticed it, but i wouldn't be surprised.

That pic is from a 991.................

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Speaking of worries of tech in new cars failing. I feel terrible for the people buying the new hyundais.

I bought a new Sonata for a relative. It's had a few minor issues but nothing tech related. Koreans are very good at tech. In fact large dominations of cash do not exist there because an incredible 90% of the country pay for items with their smartphone.

Mechanically, the car has been solid. Gas mileage the best yet. And this is a full-sized sedan. However Dealer service has varied greatly depending on location. Some has been as good as any Porsche dealer I've visited, others were terrible.
Overall a much better value than a Toyota and maybe even Honda. Some deals are as low as $150 a month with a 10 year pt warranty. Not bad for a young person or an older non-car enthusiast. I however, would not purchase one of these car out-of-warranty like I might consider a Honda. But in a few years Hyundai will be up there. I remember when the first Hyundai went on sale for $5K new. Everyone laughed. Now look at them..

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

I bought a new Sonata for a relative. It's had a few minor issues but nothing tech related. Koreans are very good at tech. In fact large dominations of cash do not exist there because an incredible 90% of the country pay for items with their smartphone.

Mechanically, the car has been solid. Gas mileage the best yet. And this is a full-sized sedan. However Dealer service has varied greatly depending on location. Some has been as good as any Porsche dealer I've visited, others were terrible.
Overall a much better value than a Toyota and maybe even Honda. Some deals are as low as $150 a month with a 10 year pt warranty. Not bad for a young person or an older non-car enthusiast. I however, would not purchase one of these car out-of-warranty like I might consider a Honda. But in a few years Hyundai will be up there. I remember when the first Hyundai went on sale for $5K new. Everyone laughed. Now look at them..

They are definitely priced right, and i would highly suggest them over american economy cars. However, i know people who have had air con go out on kias and hyundais within the first two years of ownership, as well as many other problems which are simply non existent with Honda. I would argue that korean cars are getting a bit expensive for the very cheap build quality. I know a guy that works with a wrecker company and he says no manufacture builds their cars like Kia and Hyundai and he doesnt mean that in a good way.

[Perfectlap]

^ I guess it depends on your frame of reference/perspective.

Back when interest rates were much higher and these sorts of loans weren't securitized as is rampant now, you could never buy a car providing that much comfort, tech, fuel efficiency and styling for that kind of money. Not even close. The first time I drove a fully loaded Sonata my friend was driving a 5 series that I got into afterwards. I could not believe the delta on price for the two could be justified.

Ditto on safety. In the past, unless you were rolling along in two tons of steel, riding in an economy class car was no guarantee in a crash. Anyone remember the Suzuki Samurai? You had to wear your helmet in that car.
Luckily there weren't nearly as many SUV's and pick ups in those days and cars had much smaller engines/went slower.
It would have been economy class car carnage on the streets every day with the way traffic looks now.

[trimer]

Porsche put something on Facebook about this and he is getting a new car...

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by trimer

Porsche put something on Facebook about this and he is getting a new car...

They should send a factory driver with it to give him a drift around in it and tape it or something. Positive publicity.


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[tonycarreon]

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