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particlewave 03-09-2014 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BRAN (Post 390266)
yeah, it is difficult.
My personal taste is to "Retro" the look of my "classic" Boxster...a Tribute to the old school 550/356/911 look, with decent (not too tacky :rolleyes:) chrome trims/applications...to give it even more soul ;)

Back (installed):
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1394368484.jpg

Side (installed):
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1394368911.jpg
18" silver spokes Fuchsfelgen will follow in spring together with
original Aerokit I side skirts (ready to be installed)

Front: Just need to have something up front to keep the balance (photoshoped)...front lights would look fantastic in seal gray, but with eyeliner ;)
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1394369927.jpg


I think yours would look great with seal grey interior, silver projectors to match the silver eyeliner, and maybe some real light grey tint on the amber, though I'm not opposed to just amber, either.
I think it looks good with these projectors ;)

If you want some chrome up front, just leave the projector shroud raw aluminum and leave the reflector chrome.

Here's an old pic of mine with black interiors and cheap chrome projectors to give you an idea.

particlewave 03-09-2014 12:11 PM

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Some bad photoshop with chrome reflector.

jb92563 03-09-2014 08:33 PM

Dragon Eyes
 
Here is my first crack at the "Dragon Eyes" modification and programming of the Projectors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y07LMs5-zFA

I noticed my flashing security led on the dash and though it would be neat if the Projectors with their eyeball look had a dim red breathing glow to indicate an active security system.

Since Nine8six is in Asia who produced the cool projectors I thought coining a new term "Dragon Eyes" would be appropriate. Kinda looks like a slumbering dragons eyes.

Also a Porsche should always be meaner and cooler looking than a Beamer with Angel Eyes. :D

I programmed the LED breathing pattern using a Texas Instuments Microprocessor, about the size of a thumbnail $3, EZ430-F2012

I did the programming in "C" and uploaded it to the chip via USB dongle.

I need to adjust the breathing pattern to lengthen it and have some LED off cycle time to make it more dramatic.

Ray

BRAN 03-10-2014 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 390305)
Some bad photoshop with chrome reflector.

Looks great!

Would LOVE to install those alu retrofit projectors in seal gray + amber,
... BUT sadly I would never pass a German TÜV-inspection with such an undoubtfully great, but "unlicensed non-OEM-DIY" solution" :ah:

Nine8Six 03-10-2014 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jb92563 (Post 390374)
Here is my first crack at the "Dragon Eyes" modification and programming of the Projectors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y07LMs5-zFA

I noticed my flashing security led on the dash and though it would be neat if the Projectors with their eyeball look had a dim red breathing glow to indicate an active security system.

Since Nine8six is in Asia who produced the cool projectors I thought coining a new term "Dragon Eyes" would be appropriate. Kinda looks like a slumbering dragons eyes.

Also a Porsche should always be meaner and cooler looking than a Beamer with Angel Eyes. :D

I programmed the LED breathing pattern using a Texas Instuments Microprocessor, about the size of a thumbnail $3, EZ430-F2012

I did the programming in "C" and uploaded it to the chip via USB dongle.

I need to adjust the breathing pattern to lengthen it and have some LED off cycle time to make it more dramatic.

Ray

Way kool Ray. Cant wait to see those installed and pulsing on the car. Unique, I like!

Nine8Six 03-10-2014 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BRAN (Post 390417)
Looks great!

Would LOVE to install those alu retrofit projectors in seal gray + amber,
... BUT sadly I would never pass a German TÜV-inspection with such an undoubtfully great, but "unlicensed non-OEM-DIY" solution" :ah:

Of course you would.

Given you go for the factory 4,3k color temp bulb only (no bleu, purple fancy stuff for ya I'm afraid)

It's a "technical" inspection, nothing personal or feelings attached with the various part manufacturers of what your car is made of - which is a lot. Below is what germany regulates officially only. Although I wouldn't be surprised they ask you to remove the chrome frame covering your indicator :/

· Headlight alignment- Aim of a headlight not within limits prescribed in regulations. Lamp color, position, or intensity not in accordance with regulations. Headlight height less than 56 centimeters or higher than 137 centimeters.

· Incorrect turn signals- Light color, position, or intensity not according to regulations.

and don't forget your medic kit. That also will prevent you from buying gas if you don't pass your tuv :p

BRAN 03-11-2014 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nine8Six (Post 390484)
Of course you would.

Given you go for the factory 4,3k color temp bulb only (no bleu, purple fancy stuff for ya I'm afraid)

It's a "technical" inspection, nothing personal or feelings attached with the various part manufacturers of what your car is made of - which is a lot. Below is what germany regulates officially only. Although I wouldn't be surprised they ask you to remove the chrome frame covering your indicator :/

· Headlight alignment- Aim of a headlight not within limits prescribed in regulations. Lamp color, position, or intensity not in accordance with regulations. Headlight height less than 56 centimeters or higher than 137 centimeters.

· Incorrect turn signals- Light color, position, or intensity not according to regulations.

and don't forget your medic kit. That also will prevent you from buying gas if you don't pass your tuv :p

Beware of an expired medic kit...Mister Policeman won't be too happy :D
Of course , you are right, nothing is impossible, even to pass the TÜV with DIY equipment. But it is probably going to be a long, hard and expensive way to convince by expert opinions, certifications or sample expertise.

e.g. projectors need to have a washer system and automated height control...as far as i recall...or the inspector won't be happy.

well well...with all our regulations...at least the cars on the roads are safe, hopefully ;)

particlewave 03-13-2014 11:54 PM

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Nine8Six 03-14-2014 05:47 PM

well well well look what I just found....

Charles (Particlewave) did this 996 retrofit. He is also on rennlist if you own a 996. From what I've heard from a few guys who've used Charles' services, you won't get a better job done anywhere else - impeccable attention to details .

Quote from one of his customer: "....I didn't have time to do it myself and I am glad I didn't since he found a bunch of worn wires. He fixed everything for no extra money."

http://jamrens996.files.wordpress.co...996-xenons.jpg

(niceee one Charles)

rfuerst911sc 03-15-2014 06:27 AM

I know I missed the answer but what bulb powers the angel eyes ?

Nine8Six 03-15-2014 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 391111)
I know I missed the answer but what bulb powers the angel eyes ?

lol a bit of a long thread isn't it

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1389190254.jpg

BruceH 03-15-2014 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nine8Six (Post 383927)
Hey Norm

Got the 25w LED tower with mini-built-in projectors as below for my high beam. Got the 25w for heat management. Although underpowered they are still stupid bright and output brilliantly ;) I'm just assuming that the high power 50W LED tower are ridiculously HOT so careful there.

I didn't replace the fog with those but perhaps should have done so. You'd think that they are cheap here in Shanghai but they are not so I passed the fog lights idea for now.

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/5/6...85454923_o.jpg

Here a link of the same from a USA based seller. Surely they are also available locally in BC, CA.
H7 25W Cree High Power LED Projector FOG Light Lamp Daytime Running Driving | eBay

Fred,

Your reflector bowl is painted black, correct? Do these LED's still put out enough light for flashing? Just curious. I would like to go with black rather than keeping them chrome, I think it will look better with my Lapis Blue. Thanks.

Nine8Six 03-16-2014 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BruceH (Post 391140)
Fred,

Your reflector bowl is painted black, correct? Do these LED's still put out enough light for flashing? Just curious. I would like to go with black rather than keeping them chrome, I think it will look better with my Lapis Blue. Thanks.

Hey Bruce

Yes. Puts out enough if you ask me. This, and the initial xenon burst/flash (I don't use a relay), is enough to blink someone in 'normal' daylight conditions.

Abnormal conditions being; let's say south Californian or Texan sunlight :p

I rarely blink others personally... although I had to use screaming once or twice. That also worked quite well

Glad to hear your going for the upgrade. Its a great mod you won't regret it

BruceH 03-16-2014 06:17 AM

Thanks for the info Fred! The last decision I have to make is Angel Eyes, or not. I like the clean looks of the projectors without them. The Angel Eyes look great on, from what I can tell, but..... I guess I am just not sold on those yet. Too many decisions;) I love the look of the 996 a couple of posts back, the lights look incredible! Very nice:cheers:

clickman 03-16-2014 10:36 AM

Hey Bruce, it sounds like we're on the same wavelength. I also like the look without the angel eyes (no offence, Fred ;)), want to paint the inside black or dark grey, and use the LED towers in the high beam position to flash.


The difference for me is that, with the need to have daytime running lights in my province, a friend is designing a relay circuit that will use the fog lights as DRLs rather than the low beams. I prefer not to use the xenon for DRL or flashing.

Therefore, for flashing, the LEDs will provide the light without the initial xenon burst / flash. (Although the cutoff shield solenoid will actuate.)

Marcos AMV8 03-19-2014 11:43 AM

Marcos from Spain
 
Amazing threat! My best congratullations to both of you, I really admire your work and for sure Im gonna order a conversion kit to my loved 986! With people like you all is possible, will post soon for ordering ;)

Congratulations again! :)

Nine8Six 03-19-2014 08:43 PM

Nice one Marco, much appreciated mate

I'll be at Gran Premio de España for the 4th round of motogp during the first weekend of May (Jerez circuit). I was wondering how far from you I was and found out yourself and your Boxster lives on a small island off the west the coast of Morocco. Fascinating!

Wanted to offer you a break on shipping and hand carry your projectors to Spain LOL shall you decide to get a kit before then

Marcos AMV8 03-20-2014 06:53 PM

Yes, I live in a little island far away from the mainland :)

At that time is gonna dificult to me to travel but thank you for the offer ;)

Im waiting to pick some money and order my kit soon :dance:

My car have already xenon lights but prefer the modern look of your kit, will paint the interior in black and order the focus with angel eye style LEDS and maybe the corp of the focus in red or grey :rolleyes: my car is red as yours!

Will PM soon! cheers!:cheers:

rfuerst911sc 03-22-2014 04:03 AM

I am pulling the trigger will send a PM to Particleweave to finalize. I am opting for a stealth look for my Arctic Silver car how do you guys think this will look ?

Option1: Clear shroud
Option2: Silver bezel
Option3: No angel eyes
Option4: Bare/OEM headlight shroud
Option5: Bare/OEM reflector
Option6: high beam flash yes
Option7: Porsche Motorsports Optics script
Option8: color temp 4300K

I will be sending Particle a spare set of housings so I'm not in a rush. Looking forward to see how they look/perform. I just read all 15 pages ( again ) for about the 10th time so I hope my choices are good ones. Thanks to all that have posted it made the option choosing a little easier. :cheers:

BruceH 03-22-2014 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 392125)
I am pulling the trigger will send a PM to Particleweave to finalize. I am opting for a stealth look for my Arctic Silver car how do you guys think this will look ?

Option1: Clear shroud
Option2: Silver bezel
Option3: No angel eyes
Option4: Bare/OEM headlight shroud
Option5: Bare/OEM reflector
Option6: high beam flash yes
Option7: Porsche Motorsports Optics script
Option8: color temp 4300K

I will be sending Particle a spare set of housings so I'm not in a rush. Looking forward to see how they look/perform. I just read all 15 pages ( again ) for about the 10th time so I hope my choices are good ones. Thanks to all that have posted it made the option choosing a little easier. :cheers:

I am thinking about the same only Angel eyes-yes, and 5000K on the color temp, I like a little bit whiter light.

clickman 03-23-2014 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by particlewave (Post 383469)
That's the gauge for aiming the light and yes, it is removed during retrofit (if you want) since it is no longer useful.

So how the heck does it come out? I can pull on it until it, and maybe something else, breaks, but that seems too barbarian.

particlewave 03-23-2014 10:43 AM

Yeah...I just get at it from the back. I use a screwdriver to pry up and break it at the weak point where it is very thin.

It is a bit barbaric, but that is the only easy way to get it out and it looks horrid with the retrofit if left in.

BruceH 03-23-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by clickman (Post 391249)
Hey Bruce, it sounds like we're on the same wavelength. I also like the look without the angel eyes (no offence, Fred ;)), want to paint the inside black or dark grey, and use the LED towers in the high beam position to flash.


The difference for me is that, with the need to have daytime running lights in my province, a friend is designing a relay circuit that will use the fog lights as DRLs rather than the low beams. I prefer not to use the xenon for DRL or flashing.

Therefore, for flashing, the LEDs will provide the light without the initial xenon burst / flash. (Although the cutoff shield solenoid will actuate.)

I ended up ordering with the LED's and keeping the stock chrome reflector bowl and unpainted shroud. Your custom circuit sounds interesting:cheers:

clickman 03-23-2014 12:04 PM

All the high temp paints I can find locally are for metal. Will they work on the plastic of these headlights?

Nine8Six 03-23-2014 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by clickman (Post 392305)
All the high temp paints I can find locally are for metal. Will they work on the plastic of these headlights?

Hey Norm

It will be fine given you do not flex the parts you paint after they have fully cured. Curing can take weeks so you have plenty of time there!

My understanding is metal paints lacks of elasticity polymers. If the plastic part you are painting will eventually require flexing then metal enamel paints may not be the best solution. In your case, the part will be fixed and secured with 3 screw inside the headlight so in that case you are good to go with anything off the shelf within the high temp paint series.

Surface prep is a must. Use a min/max #600 grit abrasive paper (wet sanding) and do this with gloves on (no no finger grease mate). Higher than #600 is pretty useless and lower may/will show scratch marks. I also heard "professional" use a primer before applying paint.... but I am far from being a professional painter. The less chemical fumes I breath the better ;)

A happy sunny Sunday afternoon job

Nine8Six 03-23-2014 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceH (Post 392294)
I ended up ordering with the LED's

Must be one of those hazy shanghai day again... am I seeing/reading this correct?! You finally did it

Like I told you before Bruce, and I know how much you care for the 986 look, you-will-not-regret-this-mod.

Glad you've chosen Charles' (particlewave) professional services. The guy's work is simply amazing (I heard a few time already)

BruceH 03-23-2014 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nine8Six (Post 392329)
Must be one of those hazy shanghai day again... am I seeing/reading this correct?! You finally did it

Like I told you before Bruce, and I know how much you care for the 986 look, you-will-not-regret-this-mod.

Glad you've chosen Charles' (particlewave) professional services. The guy's work is simply amazing (I heard a few time already)

Yep, I finally ordered:D In the end, I decided to keep the parts unpainted, keeping it close to stock. I agree, I can't go wrong with the mod and know I can't do the mod as well as Charles can. Oh, and I would say your work with this mod is pretty amazing:cheers: Thanks for coming up with this in the first place!

Nine8Six 03-23-2014 05:55 PM

Yea Charles' the man. I am actually very grateful to him for offering the services that he offers. He is a fine dude and he does it all driven by the passion of "doing things"... that's what makes the difference.

seeing some of you guys going for far better optics/lighting than stock is quite rewarding enough.

Well done on the move again Bruce

Nine8Six 03-23-2014 06:10 PM

deleted... rumbling again sry

particlewave 03-23-2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nine8Six (Post 392341)
Yea Charles' the man. I am actually very grateful to him for offering the services that he offers. He is a fine dude and he does it all driven by the passion of "doing things"... that's what makes the difference.

seeing some of you guys going for far better optics/lighting than stock is quite rewarding enough.

Well done on the move again Bruce

Well, shucks... :p

I totally agree, though. My real drive is that I have fun doing it and LOVE seeing my retrofits on others cars :D
It's probably an ego thing.

Thanks for the orders, guys! The next batch of projectors will be arriving before long ;)

georgewd3 03-24-2014 10:20 AM

Half-way there
 
Just thought I would share a couple of pictures of my finished kit. I finished up the passenger side retrofit with a set of non-amber lenses and the kit from Fred/Nine8six.

The kit is amazing and with Fred's help the install went smoothly. Now to finish the driver side.


http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1395684866.jpg
http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1395684900.jpg

jb92563 03-24-2014 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 392125)
I am pulling the trigger will send a PM to Particleweave to finalize. I am opting for a stealth look for my Arctic Silver car how do you guys think this will look ?

Option1: Clear shroud
Option2: Silver bezel
Option3: No angel eyes
Option4: Bare/OEM headlight shroud
Option5: Bare/OEM reflector
Option6: high beam flash yes
Option7: Porsche Motorsports Optics script
Option8: color temp 4300K

I will be sending Particle a spare set of housings so I'm not in a rush. Looking forward to see how they look/perform. I just read all 15 pages ( again ) for about the 10th time so I hope my choices are good ones. Thanks to all that have posted it made the option choosing a little easier. :cheers:

I was wondering if the color temp of 4300K would look a little yellow compared to halogens?

Might be interesting in any case.

Still need to install mine now that the "Dragon Eyes" have been worked out.

clickman 03-24-2014 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgewd3 (Post 392441)
I finished up the passenger side retrofit with a set of non-amber lenses.

Were you able to buy the lenses separate from the rest of the headlight? If so, where?

georgewd3 03-24-2014 01:18 PM

I bought complete new/used housings with the clear lenses. I've not seen just the clear lenses for sale anywhere.

Nine8Six 03-24-2014 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by georgewd3 (Post 392441)

Whoa.... George, niceee work right there. The polished gunmetal projectors you got are my favorite actually. Just waiting to get a bit of free time to pop my headlight open again and replace the prototype units with those very same.

Loveee your "new" looking pcar! Half of it anyway :p

Thx for sharing man :cheers:

Nine8Six 03-25-2014 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jb92563 (Post 392465)
I was wondering if the color temp of 4300K would look a little yellow compared to halogens?

Might be interesting in any case.

Still need to install mine now that the "Dragon Eyes" have been worked out.

They are not comparable to the old yellowed halogen - xenon has a much sharper light output (say brighter if you wish) which makes it look very close to pure white. Although slightly yellow'ished (5%) it does serves its purpose. The 4,3k xenon bulbs are the ones that cuts best through rain, snow and fog.

I only need those that cuts into city smog (lol) so I use the 6k. Pure white with 5% bluei'sh tint in them. City style, very fancy looking, and passes inspections (i.e strong enough output)

Nine8Six 03-27-2014 12:52 AM

Custom orders, Special colors, for special people!
 
Among other stunning gunmetal kits, below is one of the latest. My sincere apologies if this have taken a week+ to make ;)

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01/041395910260.jpg

particlewave 03-27-2014 04:04 AM

You can't rush beauty like that :cool:

Better to wait for a high quality product than to rush ;)

BruceH 03-27-2014 05:28 AM

Beautiful work Fred, looking forward to mine!

Edreamsz 03-31-2014 06:07 AM

Headlights installed!

http://s30.postimg.org/ha2km5uj5/20140329_184533.jpg

http://s30.postimg.org/ib2tbabip/20140329_184543.jpg


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