Advice on new tires - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

docdyh · 02-21-2007, 09:57 AM

What did the set of 4 cost you?

YellowJacket · 02-21-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by docdyh

What did the set of 4 cost you?

I think around $750 for the tires, and then 2-3 hours labor (give or take; can't remember) for balancing on a Hunter 9700, and a 4-wheel alignment. I think it was right at $1000 out the door.

FrayAdjacent · 02-21-2007, 11:01 AM

I had to put tires on the rear of my Boxster. Same size wheels.

Check out tirerack.com. I found the Kumhos and the tires I bought - BF Goodrich GForce Sports- were the most 'cost effective'. Only put about 1000 miles on 'em so far, and they're very sticky. They have a pretty high treadwear rating, so I'm hoping they'll last a couple years as a daily driver.

I need to get another pair for the front, as the Bridgestone Potenzas that are on there are slipping a bit. They still have a decent amount of tread, but they don't stick for crap.

Anyway, a pair of 265 35 18s were $163 each from Tirerack. Had them shipped directly to the NTB that installed 'em.

NickCats · 02-22-2007, 11:16 AM

When the times comes, I may go with the Kumho's as well...

I just put them on the Benz and I am VERY happy with these tires.

225/40ZR18 front - 265/35ZR18 rear

$500 for 4 ECSTA ASX ( All-Season ) or ECSTA SPT ( Summer )

Nick

Perfectlap · 02-22-2007, 11:40 AM

I had Kumho's on my old car and although they were certainly a bargain I'm not I would buy again. Something in the rubber compound lent itself to flat spotting. So for a passenger car it would be better but for a car where you will have to get on the brakes hard more frequently I'd spend the extra dough on Michelin Pilots or similar from Bridgestone.
I don't have a great deal of experience with Pirelli but their durability stood out to me as not being very good relative to what I've tried from Michelin, Toyo, Bridgestone, Dunlop. By the way that price your dealer quoted you is not good at all.

Tires really are not an area you should be cutting corners on when it comes to sports cars. Its maybe the most important maintenace item you will ever spend your money on. Check the tireRack.com they will ship the tires to a shop near your home and they offer discounts on mounting and balancing.

NickCats · 02-22-2007, 11:56 AM

Perfectlap,

Thanks for the head's up on the Kumho. Luckily the tires on my box are pretty new so tires can wait awhile. The price I quoted I pulled from tire rack, $85 for the front and $163 for the rear each ( I used them for the Benz, $200 for 4 tires, 20 for shipping, and $50 at a local shop for mount and balance ).

On a seperate note, started reading the book this week ( Going Faster ) - great info, a lot to digest. Now if I could get the box out of storage and start practicing my heel / toe.

Once again, thanks for all the help...

Nick

Perfectlap · 02-22-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NickCats

Perfectlap,

Thanks for the head's up on the Kumho. Luckily the tires on my box are pretty new so tires can wait awhile. The price I quoted I pulled from tire rack, $85 for the front and $163 for the rear each ( I used them for the Benz, $200 for 4 tires, 20 for shipping, and $50 at a local shop for mount and balance ).

On a seperate note, started reading the book this week ( Going Faster ) - great info, a lot to digest. Now if I could get the box out of storage and start practicing my heel / toe.

Once again, thanks for all the help...

Nick

Not sure I would start Auto Crossing on new tires. You will be making ALLOT of mistakes(which is what you want in the begining) and depending on your venue it could be like taking a cheese grater to your tires. I've been to some lots where the black top was so bad and full of gravel that I decided against running my expensive tires on them and decided to watch the event instead.
I'd start out with a beater set of tires. At start you aren't really so concerned with your lap times but instead learning the limits/characteristics of your Pcar.
I might go so far as to suggest a set of 2nd hand tires on a seperate set of wheels.
Once you've got about a dozen events under your belt look into getting some new rubber. Some guys head out to their 1st, 2nd or 3rd event with brand spanking new tires and wheels and are then stuck with flat spots for the rest of the season or worse flat spots on their daily drives.

NickCats · 02-22-2007, 01:22 PM

Well, the tires are not totally new - I bought the car in April 2006 and have put about 8000 miles on them. I did one Autocross with Sammy last year and you are absolutely right, I made a TON of mistakes, but had fun none the less. I hope to get a couple more under my belt this year, and I agree that if I start doing this often a second set of wheels / tires would be a sound investment...

BTW - your PM inbox is full

Thanks,

Nick

YellowJacket · 02-22-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Tires really are not an area you should be cutting corners on when it comes to sports cars. Its maybe the most important maintenace item you will ever spend your money on.

Give this man a medal. That's the best advice I've heard on this forum ever. Bad tires can ruin the feel of a great car. Stick w/ the OEM brands and possibly Bridgestone. Even if you don't feel the need to buy the OEM (N0, N1, etc.) tires, The Pilot sports, p-zeros and sport contacts are all fantastic.

My personal opinion is that putting Kumhos or whatnot on a Porsche is like buying top-of-the-line amplifiers, signal processors, DVD player, and then listening to it all through computer speakers. It just doesn't make sense.

porsche986spyder · 02-22-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by YellowJacket

Give this man a medal. That's the best advice I've heard on this forum ever. Bad tires can ruin the feel of a great car. Stick w/ the OEM brands and possibly Bridgestone. Even if you don't feel the need to buy the OEM (N0, N1, etc.) tires, The Pilot sports, p-zeros and sport contacts are all fantastic.

My personal opinion is that putting Kumhos or whatnot on a Porsche is like buying top-of-the-line amplifiers, signal processors, DVD player, and then listening to it all through computer speakers. It just doesn't make sense.

I do agree with getting good tires for your car, but I'm not sure why your bad mouthing the Kumhos. I currently have Perreli's on my boxster but the Kumhos are better in my opinion. They offer the same features and tread wear as some of those other well known brands. They aren't cheap either, and they are not unheard of. In the sport compact scene and in drifting especially they are the premier tire preferred by rear wheel drive car enthusiasts. I've had them on several of my older cars with no problems.

wanna986 · 02-22-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by porsche986spyder

I do agree with getting good tires for your car, but I'm not sure why your bad mouthing the Kumhos. I currently have Perreli's on my boxster but the Kumhos are better in my opinion. They offer the same features and tread wear as some of those other well known brands. They aren't cheap either, and they are not unheard of. In the sport compact scene and in drifting especially they are the premier tire preferred by rear wheel drive car enthusiasts. I've had them on several of my older cars with no problems.

Another nod for the Kumhos. I've got them on my Vette. I think they'll replace my Pirellis this time around on the Box.

Perfectlap · 02-22-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by YellowJacket

My personal opinion is that putting Kumhos or whatnot on a Porsche is like buying top-of-the-line amplifiers, signal processors, DVD player, and then listening to it all through computer speakers. It just doesn't make sense.

I have to agree. This may be one of the five best sports cars under $100K made in the last 10 years. The $400-500 difference in performance between 'adequate' tire and an ultra high peformance tire seems like a strange area to skimp on considering how much testing and engineering went into this particular car. I understand that durability is an issue but sports cars are inherently tough on tires because of loads they toss around. An extra $400 a year may seem like allot every year but Some people will spend that much in one weekend going to dinner/drinking with their friends. And tires can be the split second difference that avoids a big crash.
GRIP!!

bnorman · 02-22-2007, 12:17 PM

I am considering the Michelin PS2 tires (same size). What has been the experience with these?

thanks

porsche986spyder · 02-22-2007, 12:33 PM

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I am considering the Michelin PS2 tires (same size). What has been the experience with these?

thanks

Those are good to but they don't last that long. Tread wear rating says only 220!

porsche986spyder · 02-22-2007, 01:00 PM

Check this out.
http://www.speedoptions.com/news/article_view.php?id=6108

Toyo makes a good line of tires. These are mainly for racing and wont last that long at all. But they do also sell a good "year round tire" that has a decent tred mileage. Check around and I'm ture you will find some. In my opinion it all depends on what your looking for. A tire that will last long with a good overall rating, or something that's super sticky and great performance but just wont last as long. Take your pick.

MNBoxster · 02-22-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

...Tires really are not an area you should be cutting corners on when it comes to sports cars. Its maybe the most important maintenace item you will ever spend your money on...

Hi,

+1, but only if you drive it like a Sports Car. For many who use it as a daily driver, an All-season M&S tire may be more than adequate and considerably cheaper...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

Perfectlap · 02-26-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MNBoxster

Hi,

+1, but only if you drive it like a Sports Car. For many who use it as a daily driver, an All-season M&S tire may be more than adequate and considerably cheaper...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

That's the part I don't understand. If you are going to drive like a point a to point b commuter then why choose a sports car as a daily driver?
To me its the same as people who drive SUVs every day when they are the sole passenger 90% of the time and never have use for the cargo space. But I understand many can only have one car for space and practicality reasons.
If I had the room for a second car and had to drive a car every day I'd be driving a Prius or something. But that's another topic...

Now if I had to drive a Boxster everyday no question would I choose premium tires. Unless you are going through more than one set of tires a year the price difference between an average set of tires and a truly Boxster worthy set is not great enough to really justify compromising such a vital area of performance, definitely not with this brand of car. People spend $$$ on intakes, exhaust, chips, etc. yet Tires truly are the one thing on a car that can have the single biggest change in performance. Most people will toss away $400-$500 (the dif. between budget sports car tyres and high perf.) a year on two visits to a fancy restaraunt.... and Chilean Sea Bass isn't going to save your life! Tire performance is not really just a "fun topic". Your rubber and brakes are safety equipment. Compromising any amount of grip in an accident scenario just makes no sense at all. Most accidents occuring above 55mph on the road would be avoided if the driver had just one to two extra seconds of reaction time. Two blinks of an eye. Having a tire that can cut a corner that one extra inch tighter/faster can be the difference between watching an accident in your rear view and spending a life time of sleepless nights with neck pain.