Key RFID

[thom4782]

JFP and Particlewave are right.

[clueless1]

Originally Posted by thom4782

JFP and Particlewave are right.

Please explain to me how a information regarding how to correctly wire a remote starter facilitates theft.

Sorry, JFP, particlewave and you are all wrong. It strikes me that none of you understand the way these things work. Once again, let me repeat: a programmed key is required. Does starting a car with your key facilitate theft? These comments are a bit bizarre.

If you thing that is wrong, once again, please explain how. Is compustar facilitating vehicle theft?????

[maytag]

I think I understand where Clueless is coming from; I've owned a number of vehicles with both factory & aftermarket remote-starters. They are "secure" from theft in the sense that they still require a key. In every instance, the key must be inserted and turned while your foot is on the brake or the engine dies. (Not to mention the steering wheel must be unlocked).

However, from the perspective of a guy who has installed half-a-dozen of these remote-starters myself, JFP makes the correct statement that this is IN POINT OF FACT bypassing the anti-theft device that Porsche put in place. Wiring it so that it still requires a key is simply the option you'd take as the installer. Once it's by-passed, it's bypassed, until you wire it in such a fashion that it requires another device or mechanism to keep it bypassed.

So yes: drawing-up a schematic that would bypass the immobilizer for a remote-start DOES, in fact, teach us how to steal cars, despite the fact that a thief would still need to do the easy-part of circumventing the steering-lock.

[obthomas]

I though Clueless wanted to stand in his living room and start his car out in the driveway with his key fob. I got a buddy can do that remote start thing with his truck.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by obthomas

I though Clueless wanted to stand in his living room and start his car out in the driveway with his key fob. I got a buddy can do that remote start thing with his truck.

uh.... yeeeesss...... ? That's indeed what we're talking about.

[clueless1]

Originally Posted by maytag

However, from the perspective of a guy who has installed half-a-dozen of these remote-starters myself, JFP makes the correct statement that this is IN POINT OF FACT bypassing the anti-theft device that Porsche put in place. Wiring it so that it still requires a key is simply the option you'd take as the installer.

...

So yes: drawing-up a schematic that would bypass the immobilizer for a remote-start DOES, in fact, teach us how to steal cars, despite the fact that a thief would still need to do the easy-part of circumventing the steering-lock.

Both of these paragraphs are close but not quite correct.

The key bypass REQUIRES A KEY.

Second, it is NOT drawing up a schematic to bypass the immobilizer. That is NOT what I am requesting and the whole idea is a bit ridiculous. The key bypass uses a key and RFID. Just like when you start your car with a key normally. It USES the factory immobilizer (like a normal crank with key). Asking how to wire the car properly ... is how the factory transponder ring is wired in NO WAY facilitates theft. Wiring it so it still requires a key is not an option. It is always required. It’s how a key bypass works (at least in this Porsche ... some other cars, including the cayenne, can do so through firmware. But even that does NOT bypass the immobilizer).

Once again, these comments suggesting that I am looking for how to wire around the immobilizer are simply not accurate. They belie a fundamental misunderstanding of how a DEI 556U module operates. And getting proper instructions for how to install and wire a 556u would not facilitate theft any more than getting instructions for how to wire up a car audio system.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by clueless1

Both of these paragraphs are close but not quite correct.

The key bypass REQUIRES A KEY.

I'd point-out that you came here ASKING us.... and now you're TELLING us.

here's a direct cut-n-paste from the 556U description: " The 556U bypasses the immobilizer system only while the remote start is in use, maintaining the factory system’s integrity. "

This is where you nod your head and say "see? I told you so!"

And then that's where I say "wait... read that first part again..."

"The 556U bypasses the immobilizer system...."

And then I explain to you that DEi has chosen to provide a product that takes-away from you, the installer, the ability to forgo the immobilizer altogether. But that's not to say that it can't be modified (I've never dicked-around with one. Never needed to)

So you're sorta missing the point we're making, which is that once that unit is bypassed, all bets are off.

Again: You came here ASKING. 'sall I know.