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DWBOX2000 04-08-2018 05:05 PM

Spacer question
 
When looking at my 2000 986 I noticed my least favorite angle of the car is standing at the front, looking at the side but at an angle. I then walked around looking at different views, back straight side, front, side view from rear of the car. All great. After trying to figure out the angle I didn't like, I realized the wheels are in the wheel wells to deep. The back looks great. The car is an S with the 17" twists. Do people ever put spacers just in the front and if so, what size spacers would be used so they don't protrude more the rears. No spacers in the rears. 1st one I like, 2nd not so much.
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DWBOX2000 04-08-2018 05:07 PM

If it matters, car has bilstein HD's and h&r springs all around.

BoxsterSteve 04-08-2018 05:25 PM

I’ve got 15mm spacers for all 4 corners coming shortly, along with a wheel stud conversion to compensate for the depth of the spacers.
I’ll post up some pics in a couple of weeks once they get home and I’ve got everything installed.

NewArt 04-08-2018 07:03 PM

I’d go 10 to 15 all around.

JBauer 04-08-2018 07:40 PM

Here's what 15s all around looks like.http://986forum.com/forums/uploads02...1523245233.jpg

DWBOX2000 04-09-2018 02:01 AM

Thanks everyone. I love that car JB. Almost got red, seller backed out.. BoxsterSteve, what spacers did you get?

Racer Boy 04-09-2018 06:09 AM

I feel the same way, the view from the front is spoiled by the front track being too narrow. I put 15 mm spacers on the front and thought it made a large difference in how it looks (for the better). It also has slightly more steering feel now. I like it so much, I've got rear 20 mm spacers on the way from ECS Tuning.

rdonahe 04-09-2018 07:04 AM

I've got ECS Tuning 15mm front and 25mm rear. Fills out the wheel wells perfectly.
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Cunningr 04-09-2018 08:19 AM

Curious if you add spacers do you need to have the car alligned again?

BoxsterSteve 04-09-2018 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWBOX2000 (Post 567424)
BoxsterSteve, what spacers did you get?

Hub centric 15mm 4-pack from eBay. The ad said they were 5x130 with a 71.6mm centre bore; VW, Audi & Porsche compatible.
Not overly pricey.
Couldn’t find the exact ones I bought.

CrisZenithBlue 04-09-2018 12:58 PM

I just put 15mm all around a few weeks back and I’m in love with the new look! No longer looks wimpy.. handles better too. Go for it!

CrisZenithBlue 04-09-2018 12:59 PM

Put front and rear, the rear needs to come out more as well. You won’t regret it

DWBOX2000 04-09-2018 01:16 PM

Now is this a case of you get what you pay for? The prices are all over the place. I just don't want to buy cheap ones and have the bolts shear off. Anyone have a brand recommendation? Thanks again guys.

rdonahe 04-09-2018 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWBOX2000 (Post 567468)
Now is this a case of you get what you pay for? The prices are all over the place. I just don't want to buy cheap ones and have the bolts shear off. Anyone have a brand recommendation? Thanks again guys.

I’m running ECS Tuning spacers as well as their wheel studs. I’m no engineer but they seem high quality and I’ve had them installed for almost a year and a half.

H&R spacers are another brand I’ve used on other cars in the past that are regarded well.

In my understanding the key is that they are hubcentric.

rdonahe 04-09-2018 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cunningr (Post 567436)
Curious if you add spacers do you need to have the car alligned again?

No alignment needed as far as I’m concerned. You are not “opening up” the suspension so no geometry changes, only pushing the wheels outboard a smidge.

Starter986 04-09-2018 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdonahe (Post 567470)
I’m running ECS Tuning spacers as well as their wheel studs. I’m no engineer but they seem high quality and I’ve had them installed for almost a year and a half.

H&R spacers are another brand I’ve used on other cars in the past that are regarded well.

In my understanding the key is that they are hubcentric.

Likewise ECS. 10 front. 20 rear. I did enough reading and research to fees comfortable ordering from ECS. The kit I purchased included the bolts.

Racer Boy 04-09-2018 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starter986 (Post 567472)
Likewise ECS. 10 front. 20 rear. I did enough reading and research to fees comfortable ordering from ECS. The kit I purchased included the bolts.

Same here!

DWBOX2000 04-09-2018 05:36 PM

Does 260 sound right for 4 15mm spacers and lugs?
Any before and after pictures?

Racer Boy 04-09-2018 05:57 PM

I paid $130 for two 15 mm spacers with lugs from ECS, so that does sound right.

Anker 04-10-2018 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdonahe (Post 567471)
No alignment needed as far as I’m concerned. You are not “opening up” the suspension so no geometry changes, only pushing the wheels outboard a smidge.

Spacers will increase camber because if the lengthened lever arm of the suspension, and with the increased camber you also get a change in toe-in. Whether you change them enough to go out of spec is another question.

Racer Boy 04-10-2018 06:51 AM

I have to disagree with that. You are not changing any of the alignment settings.

deathsled986 04-10-2018 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWBOX2000 (Post 567484)
Does 260 sound right for 4 15mm spacers and lugs?
Any before and after pictures?

I bought 4 15mm spacers with extended lug bolts for $54 shipped off eBay last year. It's just a simple machined plate so it's not really hard to get right (and yes I did get hubcentric ones). $260 is WAY too much for what you're getting. I've had them off and on several times and have been pretty rough on the car including thrashing it on the Tail of the Dragon. The bolts are doing just fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anker (Post 567504)
Spacers will increase camber because if the lengthened lever arm of the suspension, and with the increased camber you also get a change in toe-in. Whether you change them enough to go out of spec is another question.

Untrue. Alignment does not change with spacers just as alignment doesn't change if you install wider wheels and tires.

BoxsterSteve 04-10-2018 12:20 PM

I was just under $130 for the stud conversion kit and 4 15mm hubcentric spacers.

DWBOX2000 04-11-2018 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxsterSteve (Post 567536)
I was just under $130 for the stud conversion kit and 4 15mm hubcentric spacers.

Which ones did you get? Thanks

BoxsterSteve 04-11-2018 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWBOX2000 (Post 567615)
Which ones did you get? Thanks

Check for PM.

maytag 04-12-2018 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxsterSteve (Post 567686)
Check for PM.

Awww.... c'mon am Steve! We'd all like to know! Hahaha.

Seriously.... I'm following the thread for this purpose. So if you're not comfortable posting here, would you mind pm'ing me as well?

Thanks

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BoxsterSteve 04-12-2018 04:31 PM

Here you go
 
Re: Spacer overload...
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxsterSteve
I got these from eBay vendor wheel_parts_usa for $55 & free shipping.
They can accept up to a 15mm spacer.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/142462191262?ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay .com%252Frover%252F0%252Fe11051.m43.l1123%252F7%25 3Feuid%253De8676fb085f14761aad6775fb3bc55b2%2526bu %253D43162050109%2526loc%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25 252Fwww.ebay.ca%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252F14246219 1262%2526sojTags%253Dbu%253Dbu%2526srcrot%253De110 51.m43.l1123%2526rvr_id%253D0&ul_noapp=true

I messaged the vendor to ask some specific questions.
He confirmed they are an R14 ball seat lug nut and the studs & lugs have a 14x1.5 thread pitch, as does Porsche. I may have bought a red herring, but I reasoned that if the thread pitch and lug nut seat are the same spec as my car, I may not have screwed myself.


Spacers were from eBay vendor titanwheelacc. They don’t have the set I bought up for sale currently; but I bought a set of 4 15mm hubcentric 5x130 spacers to fit Porsche & Audi. They cost me $62 & free shipping.


As of yet, I haven’t got the goods in my sweaty little hands.
In laws come home from FL end of next week, so I hope to have installation complete as soon as the pull out of my driveway. :D

maytag 04-12-2018 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxsterSteve (Post 567764)
Re: Spacer overload...
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxsterSteve
I got these from eBay vendor wheel_parts_usa for $55 & free shipping.
They can accept up to a 15mm spacer.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/142462191262?ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay .com%252Frover%252F0%252Fe11051.m43.l1123%252F7%25 3Feuid%253De8676fb085f14761aad6775fb3bc55b2%2526bu %253D43162050109%2526loc%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25 252Fwww.ebay.ca%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252F14246219 1262%2526sojTags%253Dbu%253Dbu%2526srcrot%253De110 51.m43.l1123%2526rvr_id%253D0&ul_noapp=true

I messaged the vendor to ask some specific questions.
He confirmed they are an R14 ball seat lug nut and the studs & lugs have a 14x1.5 thread pitch, as does Porsche. I may have bought a red herring, but I reasoned that if the thread pitch and lug nut seat are the same spec as my car, I may not have screwed myself.


Spacers were from eBay vendor titanwheelacc. They don’t have the set I bought up for sale currently; but I bought a set of 4 15mm hubcentric 5x130 spacers to fit Porsche & Audi. They cost me $62 & free shipping.


As of yet, I haven’t got the goods in my sweaty little hands.
In laws come home from FL end of next week, so I hope to have installation complete as soon as the pull out of my driveway. :D

Thanks!

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Racer Boy 04-13-2018 09:16 AM

I got my 20mm spacers for the rear yesterday, and installed them last night. I took before and after pictures, trying to exactly match the angles, which is surprisingly difficult to do if you don't use a tripod!

Before, after, and another after showing how the wheel is now out to the edge of the wheel well.

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Racer Boy 04-14-2018 10:18 AM

I went to a track day yesterday, and realized I should have probably gotten 15mm spacers for the rear, because now the balance is different. Before the spacers, the handling was just right, very neutral. But now it understeers! Just a little bit, but it is a demonstration of how little things can affect the balance of the car.

FoFoJoe 04-14-2018 01:58 PM

I recently installed Eibach lowering springs on my '01 base model, all stock suspension otherwise. I'm planning on running 15mm spacers in the front and possibly 18mm/20mm in the rear.

Here's how the car sits now. I definitely want to get rid of that gap.

I'm thinking 15mm will fit in the front without rubbing, but the rears is where I'm not sure. I'm leaning towards an 18mm in the rear so I don't risk the fender as much.

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Racer Boy 04-15-2018 12:06 PM

It doesn't rub with the 20 mm spacers on the rear. I've done a track day, and no evidence of rubbing at all.

DWBOX2000 04-19-2018 02:46 PM

I'm going to Hershey on Saturday. What are the key words I need to buy spacer?
15mm aluminum, hubcentric... Anything else?


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