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tommy583 11-05-2015 06:33 PM

Oil change drain pan
 
Anyone that does their own oil changes on these cars knows how fast the oil comes out. They also know the large amount of oil these cars have in them. I have tried a few different catch pans in the last few years. The one that worked out the best so far is a 15QT pan I modified with a bigger hole and some wire mesh. The main problem with this pan how full it is when i'm done. It makes it hard to pour the old oil back into the jugs without making a mess. Well I picked up this new 16QT pan from walmart the other day. I haven't used it yet, but this looks like it will work like a charm.

16qt Oil Drain Container - Walmart.com

This is the old pan I used
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/flotool-15-quart-drain-container-11838mi/9017658-P?navigationPath=L1*14924%7CL2*15045%7CL3*16237

Pdwight 11-05-2015 08:43 PM

I have that same pan from Wally World and it works pretty good. I recently got a Mityvac evacuator from my wife as a gift, I have not tried it on the Boxster yet...but it worked so well on my E36 I can see it as my goto from now on involving removing liquid from "Things"

http://www.zoro.com/mityvac-fluid-evacuatorbrake-bleeder-pneumatic-07300/i/G0973174/?gclid=CjwKEAiAmeyxBRCJxoKk7IWLl2oSJABvZjhh5dWFZy5 vbXdF4gA07hePNF3TnZknQxr6k3trP6ljCBoC9Tnw_wcB&gcls rc=aw.ds

steved0x 11-05-2015 10:14 PM

I've got that same one, just recently got it, haven't used it yet. Looks nice, I will change my oil in a few weeks and report back unless you beat me to it :)

rfuerst911sc 11-06-2015 03:37 AM

That oil inlet hole looks like it may be too small to allow the oil to flow fast enough into the container before the level overflows the top. Hopefully that is not the case. I just use a conventional open oil container, it easily has taken oil from 911's , 914's , my diesel truck which have all contained 10 - 12 quarts per pop.

Joe B 11-06-2015 04:44 AM

I've had both of those containers for my F-250 diesel truck that holds 15 qts. of oil. I have the 15 qt. round one and the 16 qt. square one. I've had problems with the caps on both. The pour cap that you use to drain the oil from the round one leaked. They sent me several replacement caps. They all leaked too. On the 16 qt. square pan, the vent cap constantly pops open by itself. Poor moldings. I'm going to contact FloTool about that issue too. They need to get their act together.

No problem with overflow though :rolleyes:.

mikesz 11-06-2015 05:27 AM

I have the 15qt round from walmart. works fine for me but I undo the drain cap so the air can escape I also usually put a piece of cardboard underneath cause you do get some splash. You gotta open the drain spout so air can escape or the oil wont flow into the drain pan fast enough and it will overflow. I don't drain back into the jugs I just take the black container to the landfill and empty it.

tommy583 11-06-2015 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by steved0x (Post 472511)
I've got that same one, just recently got it, haven't used it yet. Looks nice, I will change my oil in a few weeks and report back unless you beat me to it :)

Unfortunately I'll probably beat you too it. I'll be doing my going to sleep for the winter oil change in the next few days :barf:

JFP in PA 11-06-2015 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdwight (Post 472508)
I have that same pan from Wally World and it works pretty good. I recently got a Mityvac evacuator from my wife as a gift, I have not tried it on the Boxster yet...but it worked so well on my E36 I can see it as my goto from now on involving removing liquid from "Things"

Mityvac Fluid Evacuator/Brake Bleeder, Pneumatic 07300 | Zoro.com

Two well known problems with these things:
  1. They do not drain all the oil out of the sump.
  2. The tubing that you insert into the dipstick tube (which many cars no longer even have) often gets caught on various things inside the sump, preventing its extraction. We just had another car flat bedded into the shop for this exact reason.

From experience, I am not a fan of these units, they cause more problems than they solve. If you cannot jack the car up to drain the oil properly, take it to someone that can.

JFP in PA 11-06-2015 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesz (Post 472526)
I have the 15qt round from walmart. works fine for me but I undo the drain cap so the air can escape I also usually put a piece of cardboard underneath cause you do get some splash. You gotta open the drain spout so air can escape or the oil wont flow into the drain pan fast enough and it will overflow. I don't drain back into the jugs I just take the black container to the landfill and empty it.

If you need to control oil splash during draining's, buy a short section (6 inches or so) or a 4-6 inch diameter PVC pipe, then drill about a dozen or so 1/4 diameter holes around the circumference of one end. Set the pipe in your drain pan, but not over the actual drain opening, and allow the oil to drop into the pipe and then run out into the pan itself; any splash with be retained inside the pipe.

lkchris 11-06-2015 06:59 AM

Extractors are the way to go, but the car has to be designed for it.

The Boxster isn't.

Most of the cars designed for this have oil filter easily accessed from the top, too. Again, the Boxster doesn't. Somewhat the nature of mid and rear engine configurations, perhaps.

FYI, the extractors used at a Mercedes dealership don't involve a tube down the dipstick tube, but rather a tight seal at the top of the dipstick tube. Better, but more expensive and not universal.

When the car is designed for it and the equipment is good, extractors get all the oil out.

Joe B 11-06-2015 08:20 AM

FWIW, I just spoke with FloTool, and they are aware of the leakage issues, and are going to send me several replacement vent caps. I hope they work better than the original one :rolleyes:!

jdraupp 11-06-2015 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe B (Post 472549)
FWIW, I just spoke with FloTool, and they are aware of the leakage issues, and are going to send me several replacement vent caps. I hope they work better than the original one :rolleyes:!

Let me know what you find out. I own the 15 quart round one, but would prefer the 16 quart one as it looks easier to drain. But if the vent cap is no good (same thing is a problem on my 15) I'd like to know there is a remedy before purchase.

Pdwight 11-06-2015 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 472533)
Two well known problems with these things:
  1. They do not drain all the oil out of the sump.
  2. The tubing that you insert into the dipstick tube (which many cars no longer even have) often gets caught on various things inside the sump, preventing its extraction. We just had another car flat bedded into the shop for this exact reason.

From experience, I am not a fan of these units, they cause more problems than they solve. If you cannot jack the car up to drain the oil properly, take it to someone that can.

It got all the oil out of my E36 , only a tiny trickle was left and that stopped in a couple of seconds

tommy583 11-06-2015 11:38 AM

Well the main difference between the pans is that the 16QT one seems to have way better seals on the caps. The 15QT seal on the pour spout is horrible. Also the hole for the oil to go into the pan is way to small and doesn't seal. I ended up making it bigger and covering it with wire mesh. The vent cap is the least of it's problems. The 16QT also can be stored on its end, that is if the seal in the pan part works.

I'll most likely be using it on Monday. I'll report my findings.

Joe B 11-06-2015 12:14 PM

Well, I've used it twice and I can report my findings: the hole in the middle for the oil to go in is big enough, and with a vent cap that won't stay closed, you won't be storing it on end, at least not when there's oil in it. The guy I talked to at FloTool said that the replacement vent cap would seal tighter. We'll see :rolleyes:.

JFP in PA 11-06-2015 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pdwight (Post 472581)
It got all the oil out of my E36 , only a tiny trickle was left and that stopped in a couple of seconds

Your E36 is not your M96.

tommy583 11-06-2015 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe B (Post 472587)
Well, I've used it twice and I can report my findings: the hole in the middle for the oil to go in is big enough, and with a vent cap that won't stay closed, you won't be storing it on end, at least not when there's oil in it. The guy I talked to at FloTool said that the replacement vent cap would seal tighter. We'll see :rolleyes:.

The 16QT one i'm talking about has the vent cap on the top if it's standing on end. Check the pic in the first link I posted. (the walmart link).

tommy583 11-06-2015 09:22 PM

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1446877239.jpg

I don't see how the vent cap leaking would even matter if I stored it like this. Not that I plan on storing oil in it anyway.

Frodo 11-07-2015 04:12 AM

After getting the Box I picked up one of the round 15 qt pans described above. It's worked pretty well for me with one huge exception. One of the first times I used it I accidentally dropped the hot oil drain plug from the car into the opening in the center of the catch pan. Needless to say it quickly overflowed---I ended up with a small sea of used motor oil (maybe 5' in diameter?) on the middle of the drive way. First thing I did (after spending at least an hour cleaning up the mess) was to get my electric drill with my 1/2" bit and drilled maybe 8-10 holes in the top surface of the catch pan. Never had that problem again. And yeah, opening the cap of the pour-off spout helps by allowing air out---I do that too.

I don't have problems with leakage because I always just pour it off into containers (the 5-qt oil jugs or, sometimes, gallon milk jugs) for recycling. Don't like keeping the stuff around---I move it out pretty quickly. I have a dedicated dirty-oil funnel and spillage is minimal. I work over newspaper or cardboard to catch the minor drips.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFP in PA (Post 472534)
If you need to control oil splash during draining's, buy a short section (6 inches or so) or a 4-6 inch diameter PVC pipe, then drill about a dozen or so 1/4 diameter holes around the circumference of one end. Set the pipe in your drain pan, but not over the actual drain opening, and allow the oil to drop into the pipe and then run out into the pan itself; any splash with be retained inside the pipe.

That's a pretty good idea, I may try that. I've accomplished more or less the same thing by cutting a milk gallon jug in half and inserting the neck of the opening into the opening in the oil catch-pan. Works pretty well, but is a bit less elegant than your solution.


Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesz (Post 472526)
I don't drain back into the jugs I just take the black container to the landfill and empty it.

:eek: Geez, Really?? That really wreaks havoc with ground water...you really should be going to the trouble (and it's not really all that much trouble) of recycling the stuff.

JFP in PA 11-07-2015 04:43 AM

Instead of dump oil into the environment, if you do not have a recycling outlet nearby, check with some of your local repair shops as many of them heat their buildings using used oil burning heat systems. They will happily take your used oil in order to stay warm this winter.

stephen wilson 11-07-2015 08:00 AM

Some places have a holding tank for you to dump your container into, I doubt he's going to all that trouble to dump it on the ground............

JayG 11-07-2015 08:20 AM

Well here in California, where we actually care about the environment, most oil change places and auto parts store have free oil recycling dump stations

Joe B 11-07-2015 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommy583 (Post 472637)
The 16QT one i'm talking about has the vent cap on the top if it's standing on end. Check the pic in the first link I posted. (the walmart link).

Yup, that's the one I have. With 15 qts. of oil in it (from my diesel truck, not the Boxster), you don't want to stand it up when the vent cap won't stay closed, unless you don't plan to move it at all. And when you take it to the recycling location, the sloshing oil becomes a black geyser!

jdraupp 11-07-2015 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe B (Post 472728)
Yup, that's the one I have. With 15 qts. of oil in it (from my diesel truck, not the Boxster), you don't want to stand it up when the vent cap won't stay closed, unless you don't plan to move it at all. And when you take it to the recycling location, the sloshing oil becomes a black geyser!

I have one of those oil containers that is easier to transport. I pour out of the drain container into that and it enables me to go longer between trips to advance auto parts to recycle. You could pour some into one of those if you're storing.

tommy583 11-07-2015 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe B (Post 472728)
Yup, that's the one I have. With 15 qts. of oil in it (from my diesel truck, not the Boxster), you don't want to stand it up when the vent cap won't stay closed, unless you don't plan to move it at all. And when you take it to the recycling location, the sloshing oil becomes a black geyser!


Ok I get what you are saying. Thankfully the car uses less oil then your truck. I just pour the oil out of the pan back into the jugs after i'm done. So hopefully the vent won't be an issue since I won't be using it for transport.

steved0x 11-13-2015 02:44 PM

I just started an.oil change with the 16 qt square version. The oil drained into the pan fast enough. Maybe because so much sprayed out the sides, it came down and redirected back up by the little fins, probably a quart of oil sprayed outside the boundary of the pan. I will have to try the trick with the pvc pipe because this sucked... Easily the biggest mess I have made in years :)

tommy583 11-13-2015 03:44 PM

Oh great :mad:I'm sure my wife will appreciate the mess I will probably make.

jdraupp 11-13-2015 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steved0x (Post 473557)
I just started an.oil change with the 16 qt square version. The oil drained into the pan fast enough. Maybe because so much sprayed out the sides, it came down and redirected back up by the little fins, probably a quart of oil sprayed outside the boundary of the pan. I will have to try the trick with the pvc pipe because this sucked... Easily the biggest mess I have made in years :)

Damn. I just bought the 16 version. Guess I should've kept the receipt.

911monty 11-13-2015 04:27 PM

Because of the volume and especially the rate that the hot oil comes out, I was very concerned of the potential for overflow, especially if you dropped the plug accidentally and restricted the small drain holes in the catch pans. I decided to go with the open top attached from AutoZone. It works very well, even for coolant. Just pour into recycling containers and wipe out.

FloTool/Oil drain 11845 - Read 2 Reviews on FloTool #11845

steved0x 11-13-2015 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911monty (Post 473563)
Because of the volume and especially the rate that the hot oil comes out, I was very concerned of the potential for overflow, especially if you dropped the plug accidentally and restricted the small drain holes in the catch pans. I decided to go with the open top attached from AutoZone. It works very well, even for coolant. Just pour into recycling containers and wipe out.

FloTool/Oil drain 11845 - Read 2 Reviews on FloTool #11845

This looks like the ticket, if I can find the receipt I am cleaning up my 16 qt square one and returning it, and getting this round one that is linked here.

Has a good spout to.pour back in the bottles for recycling

Has a "reverse" lip around the top so that oil that is moving fast when it hits the edge will get trapped.

tommy583 11-13-2015 07:26 PM

If we can't keep the oil in the pan you just linked.....then we better start paying someone to do our oil changes lol.

stephen wilson 11-14-2015 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911monty (Post 473563)
Because of the volume and especially the rate that the hot oil comes out, I was very concerned of the potential for overflow, especially if you dropped the plug accidentally and restricted the small drain holes in the catch pans. I decided to go with the open top attached from AutoZone. It works very well, even for coolant. Just pour into recycling containers and wipe out.

FloTool/Oil drain 11845 - Read 2 Reviews on FloTool #11845

Exactly ! I've been using a similar pan for decades. I hate those pan/container combos, just pour it into your container of choice, and there's no need to "wipe dry" the top. The pan I use has a lid, so I just store it in a cabinet "wet", no need to wipe it out.

911monty 11-14-2015 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stephen wilson (Post 473588)
Exactly ! I've been using a similar pan for decades. I hate those pan/container combos, just pour it into your container of choice, and there's no need to "wipe dry" the top. The pan I use has a lid, so I just store it in a cabinet "wet", no need to wipe it out.

I like to start with a perfectly clean pan. Once I pour the old oil out I can then inspect the bottom of pan, something that can't be done using the container type pans. Any debris on bottom can then be noted as part of my UOA and filter inspection.

JayG 11-16-2015 06:34 AM

I use a 10 qt pan from Wally world. It had a 8" diameter lid on the top with a removable screen for the oil to drain into. I put it in one of those clear plastic containers for general storage with ~ 6" sides in case of an overflow, etc. The drain cap on the pan may leak a little, a few drips, but since it sits in a container, not an issue

I have not had a problem with getting oil all over the floor or spillage.

Since the M96 holds ~ 9 quarts, 10 quart is fine. . I take the container with the oil pan to a local quick change place that does oil recycling for a free dump. They also take old coolant as well

Joe B 11-16-2015 06:21 PM

That's odd. I've used my square 16 qt. FloTool container twice now, once for my diesel truck and once for my Boxster. I didn't have any oil splashing out around the sides! They sent me replacement vent caps, and so far the one I installed hasn't popped open.

CoBeerToad 11-18-2015 05:27 AM

I usually keep my oil pan full. It usually stays that way until I decide to do the next oil change and then I grab the pan and realize, oh crap, I never dumped it from the last time. Then I promise myself, I will get rid of it quickly this time and then next year, oh crap!

Gilles 11-18-2015 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911monty (Post 473623)
I like to start with a perfectly clean pan. Once I pour the old oil out I can then inspect the bottom of pan, something that can't be done using the container type pans. Any debris on bottom can then be noted as part of my UOA and filter inspection.

+ 1 this way you can see if something was on the oil

steved0x 11-18-2015 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe B (Post 473821)
That's odd. I've used my square 16 qt. FloTool container twice now, once for my diesel truck and once for my Boxster. I didn't have any oil splashing out around the sides! They sent me replacement vent caps, and so far the one I installed hasn't popped open.

I must have had it just in the wrong position. Once the oil started deflecting back up and out I tried sliding it around to different positions and I finally found one that limited the spray. of course by then the oil flow from the car may have just diminished. Fun times :)

LAP1DOUG 11-18-2015 04:36 PM

This is what I use. I took some spare bulkhead fittings and a valve to make this deep drain pan from a square cat litter container that Publix sells.

After I drain all the oil into it, I place it up on a couple of tires, and let gravity drain the oil through a strainer as it goes into my final disposal jug that I carry off to the local quick lube to dump.

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1447896923.jpg

tommy583 11-20-2015 10:54 AM

Well I used the new square 16qt pan the other day. I made a small mess while moving it around trying to make a mess. I found as long as the oil is falling close to the hole it works great. I did cut out some plastic to make the hole a little bigger. As for pouring the old oil back into the jugs, it worked better than every other pan I have tried. I think I am happy with it.


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