Porsche Mission E
 

Forget Tesla.

600HP

4 door with 911 roof line (done far better than on the panamera)

charges in 15 minutes

zero emissions

Over 300 mile range

Not a Boxster, but a great alternative to a Tesla!

Porsche Mission E: The Tesla-Killer Porsche Has To Build



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However, I think my dream 4 door Porsche is the Panamera Sport Turismo, May the restyle PLEASE look like this.


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Those are all very good looking cars. Designed very tastefully. I'd drive either in a second.

all you need is an 800 volt charging station for the 15 min recharge

FWIW, I like the look of the current Panamera
that new one looks like a squashed SUV

I would have no problem driving that other than the purchase price. I showed the pics to my wife she said she would love to go get groceries in that !

Tesla wins either way - the best way to charge it in 15 mins is to dump the power from a $5,000 Tesla PowerWall. :)

It's actually a design from a few years back, before the Macan came out.

Which is essentially what it is, a Macan as a wagon, which many would argue the Macan is a wagon as is.

That being said what I really like is that no matter how much Porsche modernizes they hold their design cues.

I.E. Here is the 989 concept compared to the new mission E
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These will be a dime on dozen on Ebay before you know it. :D

Chinese aftermarket will comoditize everything sooner or later.

I'm painting my Boxster this color!

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Porsche. You. Are. Killing. Me.

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One of the more interesting pieces of technology that I'm interested in is the side/rear view cameras. Not necessarily EV related, and not yet legal in the US (without standard mirrors). Wide angle-views projected just to the sides of the wheel would be nice. And yes, you should still turn your head to double-check!

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I'm not surprised about this revelation after BMWs announcement last week. The future is clear and it is electric!

^ I think these offerings by BMW and Porsche just make the value of the Tesla all the more apparent (granted a relative word in the luxury segment). Musk said that the Tesla is the most expensive car most of his buyers have ever purchased. That's a good stat to own when Porsche prices this Mission E car like a McLaren. If you're trying to hit big numbers within the educated wealthy segment of high tech cars then you need to watch that sticker price. Porsche and Tesla are not shooting to stay at small fry boutique company levels.

some great photos here:

Porsche Mission E Concept: Frankfurt 2015 Photo Gallery - Autoblog


Porsche still won't let those center lock wheels go to their deserved death...

Here is a link to the"official" Porsche Mission E site
Tribute to tomorrow. Porsche Concept Study Mission E. | Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG

As you scroll down, it adds more info

nothing wrong with centerlocks. You just need a torque wrench for 350 ftlbs

A final solution to cylinder failures.

if proper procedure is followed to the T, and it absolutely MUST be, there is no way you will gain a benefit in time spent removing CL wheels vs. the supposed rewards for these CL inventions on a road car. I still dont' get why they went this way on road cars...other than to make more cha ching on the sticker price. Everything gets more complicated... greasing the CL after each wheel removal, the extra cleaning, the more complicated procedure to simply flush brake lines, locking pin function that is affected by heat. CL must be a hoot on track days, especially for the techs doing CL inspections!

Generally speaking, it's A VERY BAD engineering idea to put something overly complicated on the wheels of a 600 HP car. I'd hate to be the guy in the car behind when an airborne CL wheel is coming towards my windshield simply because step #43 was done incorrectly by some just out of school tech at the dealership. But then of course those guys never make mistakes. :D

Yea, but they look cool :p

they should have called that forum member here that used to sell the 5 lug CL replicas.
They would have avoided this

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Interest in electric cars is less than zero.

Nice !
Now make it a two seater and give me 100 000$ so I can buy it :)

TSLA
$30---> $254 (even with $2 gas today)
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You forgot the "my" at the beginning of your sentence.
Yeah, we get it, already. :rolleyes:

That's what happens when you wear blinders and stare into the past longingly. I've got a good lead on a horse-drawn buggy for you. ;)

Read an auto story today about the writer taking a P85D on a trip. He had to stop every 200 miles to supercharge for an hour. All for only $80,000.

These are nothing but expensive toys.

If Porsche/Tesla/etc really wanted to change the world, they would offer a 3-series sedan with 350 miles of range with a 5 min full recharge that sells for $40K. Until that happens, e-cars are curiosities, not real transportation.

Or just that people don't do road trips all the time and don't need that kind of range.

The last 20% of charging indeed takes a long time. But you can get the first 50 miles worth of charge in SIX MINUTES.
Getting to 80% would take 45 minutes. So Going from 18 miles left to back to 230 miles in under an hour of supercharging, is not something the typical driver would even need to do every day.

Also, wouldn't 200 miles driven take the typical driver about 3 hours? I think you have to be cut out for being stuck in a car that long in the first place.
Any longer than than that and I'm on my jet. :)

solution is simple: Tesla should offer free car rentals for the next 10 years for anyone that needs to drive over 200 miles in a day but they MUST drive over 200 miles in a day and there would be limits, like no more than 10 rental days a year, etc (that's less than 1 day a month).

99.9% of buyers would never use that more than one day a year but 99.9% of buyers would feel a lot better about spending $80,000 on a car with a 200 range.

Those "curiosities" sure are selling well. ;)
Apparently, some people don't agree with your perspective.

I actually like it. It's a sexy looking car, although I don't care much for the scoopy bat mobile nose.
I'm guessing that this technology is going to happen. It's just going to take time. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.
The Automobile itself was once considered just a pointless expensive toy that would never amount to anything. How many decades did it take for them to become reliable, efficient, and mainstream?
PCs were big, clunky, slow, nearly useless machines that had less power than the clock on my Blue Ray player. It took decades to reach their full potential, and now I can talk to satellites and surf the net at lightning speed while taking 10.5 megapixel HDR pictures and video from my wallet-sized cell phone while it streams near endless hi-def music to my car stereo through Bluetooth. (Back in the 80s you could have never, ever convinced me any of that would be possible in my lifetime).
I'm not overly eager to see the big change, because like most enthusiasts, I like the sounds and mechanical feel of cars as they are today. But if it's going to happen I can only hope for exciting, well thought out products. Looks like Porsche is working hard on that and I'm curious to see where it goes.

(My apologies, I didn't intend on that becoming such a long rant).

I've always defended Porsche's "other ventures" on the basis that they are the best in their class.

I'd always rather have a boxster or 911... But if I need an SUV, I'm glad to know there is a damn good cayanne diesel S available.

If I must buy a 4 seater, the Macan is an option I'd much rather find myself in than a juke or GLK.

While it may dilute Porsche to an extent, I think I find that a fair trade off for exciting cars in segments I would otherwise never touch with a 10 foot pole.

The mission E fits into this philosophy; id rather have a 981 spyder, but if I'm going electric, I am going with tech derived from the 918 and 919.