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bglz42 05-25-2015 05:16 AM

Too much pressure in coolant tank
 
I have been struggling for over a year with an issue with my 01 Boxster S Tip. Condensation under trunk lid over the coolant cap. I am on my 6th 04 cap. Never overheats. No water in oil or oil in water that I can detect. Level stays pretty consistent. Pressurized tank to 20psi for 24 hours. Pressure tested cap, pops at 20.5.



Getting desperate, I left the pressure gauge on the car and started it. After it warmed I got 20psi, (which is enough to pop the cap valve apparently.)



Again, the car does great even in Texas heat. It just vents through the cap... any ideas?

Jamesp 05-25-2015 05:38 AM

The pressure is generated from the effect of temperature on the coolant, so my only thought is it is getting too hot or the coolant mix is responsible for the excess pressure. Have you cleaned your radiators and are you using the correct coolant mix?

Jamesp 05-25-2015 05:44 AM

Other thoughts are a stuck closed thermostat or degraded impeller on the water pump.

bglz42 05-25-2015 06:58 AM

Thanks James! Mixture is dead-on, radiators clean, no signs of high coolant temps, temps verified by Durametric. Have Airlifted, pressurized, and spent a fortune on tools and caps... still have the problem. Dealer says it is OK. Shrug...

Steve Tinker 05-25-2015 02:14 PM

Is the pressure relief valve leaking (located under the plastic cover below the coolant / oil fill caps)?
If you remove the plastic cover and see residue, its a good sign that the O rings are leaking when hot. You can try lifting the chromed D ring to its vertical position for a few days heat /cool cycles to make sure its not leaking condensation from the valve area.

bglz42 05-25-2015 02:39 PM

Steve, no residue at all. I replaced the orings twice...

Jamesp 05-25-2015 03:12 PM

Anybody have s coolant flow schematic? I wonder if a restriction downstream of the tank could raise the pressure in the tank. A wild guess to be sure, but the options are thinning down.

Jamesp 05-25-2015 03:28 PM

Found one.

Looks like there is a shut off valve (#10) on the tank inlets

http://986forum.com/forums/uploads01...1432596358.jpg

Perhaps another forum member with experience can comment on what happens if the inlet valve sticks open.

Steve Tinker 05-25-2015 05:12 PM

That's the spring loaded expansion valve located at the top of the tank....
bglz - I still would try lifting the mechanical D ring for a few heat cycles.

bglz42 05-26-2015 03:14 AM

Thanks Steve! I have tried that multiple times. Still venting through cap.

Steve Tinker 05-26-2015 02:19 PM

If you have excess pressure in the cooling system then the pressure must be coming from somewhere.
1)It can't be the pump as I doubt it could compress up to ~ 20psi even with near boiling point water.
2) It could be a blocked engine / radiator vent line (#11 & 12 in diagram) but ??

I'd hate to think that you have a cylinder head crack opening up when hot and combustion gasses are "pumping up" the cooling system....

JFP in PA 05-26-2015 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Tinker (Post 451338)
If you have excess pressure in the cooling system then the pressure must be coming from somewhere.
1)It can't be the pump as I doubt it could compress up to ~ 20psi even with near boiling point water.
2) It could be a blocked engine / radiator vent line (#11 & 12 in diagram) but ??

I'd hate to think that you have a cylinder head crack opening up when hot and combustion gasses are "pumping up" the cooling system....

This is exactly what I posted to the OP on another site (http://www.renntech.org/forums/topic/48478-too-much-pressure-in-coolant-tank/), and suggested running both a leak down on the engine and checking the vapor above the coolant in the tank for combustion gases using one of these:

http://images.nationaltoolwarehouse....UVW-560000.jpg

That excess pressure is coming from somewhere other than the cooling system.....

bglz42 05-26-2015 02:58 PM

Thanks guys! I am just grasping at straws here, hoping for a different answer, LOL! I just cannot understand it...

bglz42 05-26-2015 04:46 PM

JFP, thanks for your answers. It is not that I didn't believe you...I just was hoping for another verdict, LOL! Sort of like getting another opinion when the diagnosis is cancer!

JFP in PA 05-26-2015 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bglz42 (Post 451347)
JFP, thanks for your answers. It is not that I didn't believe you...I just was hoping for another verdict, LOL! Sort of like getting another opinion when the diagnosis is cancer!

There are only a limited number of ways to get a cooling system to over pressure; over heating is the obvious one, but a combustion pressure leak into the cooling system is also a reality.

To use your cancer analogy, it is time to stop speculation and start diagnostics. A leak down will show if one or more cylinders are losing gas pressure, the presence of combustion by products in the cooling system would also be a dead give away. If neither of these check out positive, you will have eliminated a major probability and can move on to look at the cooling system itself.

But you have to start someplace.............

nicecar 05-26-2015 05:13 PM

Same problem
 
I just replaced cap and o ring and still having problem. Could it be fixed by replacing the entire valve?

nicecar 05-26-2015 05:28 PM

Watery
 
If the coolant mix was slightly watery would this cause the condensation?

bglz42 05-26-2015 06:05 PM

Thanks! I will take it in to an indie. I have spent a fortune on tools, caps and fluids, and spent a lot of time trying to diagnose the problem. I give up.

nicecar 05-29-2015 11:09 AM

Fixed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Tinker (Post 451233)
That's the spring loaded expansion valve located at the top of the tank....
bglz - I still would try lifting the mechanical D ring for a few heat cycles.

Did this fixed the condensation problem. Thanks Steve


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