The new pony war champ
 

Ran across this new Challenger Hellcat. Putting out some outrageous HP numbers. 707 HP:eek::eek: They really need to work on the suspension ofcourse. But very impressive.

2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat | car review @ Top Speed

Just wait for the Challenger Hello Kitty, if you think the the Hellcat is awesome;)

I wonder if the carbon fiber is still fake ;)

As the saying goes...you cant buy happiness but you can but horse power and thats kinda the same thing. Im surprised at these numbers they keep squeaking out.

@jake You might find some Boxsters with the fake carbon fiber. Its everywhere.

While these kinds of numbers are truly impressive (700hp+!!!!), the horsepower wars are just about over. What's next - 1000hp? 1200? At some point it starts to become a marketing number.

In my experience, 400-450hp is about the max you can use on the street and even this will put you well into "going-to-jail-speeds" (at least here in California) if you simply wind out third gear.

And even if you took it to the track, what's the point of passing other cars with 300, 400, or even 500 less horsepower?

Not a big mopar fan, but this car I like very much. My inner drag racer is absolutely drooling over this car. On top the numbers it's putting down and quality parts on the car, rumours are that the car will be selling for around $80k which is not bad at all.

These guys don't seem to think so./lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBc3yM1D6Wk

I mean yes the numbers are impressive, however it is not that hard to simply make a ton of horsepower. It is way harder to make a good car though. If I happened to want a car like this I would go with AMG though.

[QUOTE=rp17;409671]Ran across this new Challenger Hellcat. Putting out some outrageous HP numbers. 707 HP:eek::eek: They really need to work on the suspension ofcourse. But very impressive.

Awesome car! Don't forget the Shelby Super Snake 1000 HP

Definitely hitting some "going-to-jail-speeds"!

If...If...IF
 

If I had the money and I wanted a killer car I would buy a Nismo GTR...you would have to spend 200 grand or better to top that car....From with I have read the Super Snake is a death trap waiting to happen...too much HP and a live axle ??!!!

Having all that power and not being able to stick down to the road is a waste.

Sure you can make a lot of smoke and chew up tires, but that is only fun until you need to buy more tires.

A rocket sled is fast in a straight line too, but a boring uncomfortable experience at best.

Sorry folks but we bought Boxsters to do cornering and turning with the top down and the wind blowing through our hair, way more fun!:D

Well put jb:cheers:

For some reason this thread reminds me of a conversation with the wife over paying wads of extra money for high thread count sheets for the bed. They're coming out with crazy numbers that either aren't accurate or aren't worth the effort.

Give me a really well engineered sports car with half the HP of the top motors and I'll be happy as a clam.

with the new camaro, the mustang boss 302, the new vette, etc., your car has to be able to turn to win the pony wars these days. which is good for racing, but takes some of our excuses away - we used to be able to say 'yeah the boxster is underpowered but the mid-engine configuration, suspension, brakes, yada yada, make it faster in the corners ...". no longer; these cars turn as good as us and have more power. about all you can try and do now is outlast them.

Radium, "outlast them" means be a better driver in my book. I regularly see Miatas lapping Turbos at the track because they're just so much better in the corners.

I aspire to be a Miata driver one day... even if I'm not driving a Miata.

well, the gtr is a beast on the track ... for five laps until the differentials start to overheat. these pony cars are still heavy and can overdrive their brakes relatively easily in stock form. a well set-up boxster seems to handle heat pretty good; i'm still turning when the faster cars are going home with heat-related ailments (the worst is the jap tuner cars constantly blowing turbos and coolant hoses and greasing up the track). funny that these road tests that you read in the magazines never really torture test the cars for 40 laps - you might see different results in say a z-28 / porsche comparison if they did. I mean, is that dodge still going to be making 700 hp after 40 minutes at redline?

Godzilla is a fine mobile. That car is truly impressive.

Pure American Energy this is. Majestic

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cro...t-4_800x0w.jpg

powerful stuff man.... not much else to say ;)

I'm sure all of us Boxster owners feel this. Reason we bought this car so I agree. I just get caught up on how much trouble it is to get some serious HP out of the M96, then you hear about about this Hellcat. I don't want 707 but I would take half in the Box for a REASONABLE price. :ah:

Just hate the HP game Porshe plays with us that's all. For example, I hate what GM for example, does with there cars. Back in the day, the best technology would never make it to Chevy or Pontiac for example. It would go to the Cadillac even if it was a Chevy engineer that came up with it. But I guess I can understand. :ah:

The guy on the bike gets my vote for the biggest cahunas in the group. I maybe still fresh from my situation but if someone blew a tire, and swerved, what would happen to him?

I'm with you on this! And while I appreciate the effort that Porsche is putting forth with the Cayman GT-4, $100K for a 400hp mid-engine sports car isn't quite the revolution that I was hoping for.

Better join another forum 1st! From what I hear unless you love driving by wire, (virally) you will soon become bored riding in a GTR while the car drives itself. :(

Not sure what "days" you are referring to. In 1954 "ish" a Pontiac engineer invented the individual stud mounted rocker arm with ball pivot. This increased valvetrain rpm limitations. I believe Chevy used them on their engines in 1955-present. About 1964 Malcom McKeller designed the Pontiac exclusive, overhead cam straight six engine as directed by John Delorean who wanted a economical engine with good power for their new economy car, the Tempest.

The only example I can think of is the Cadillac Northstar engine 4.6L 300HP 1994? Oldsmobile was allowed to use the engine for it's new Aurora a few years later but was limited to 4.0L & 250 HP. In 1997 Olds had a contract with Shelby American to build the Shelby Series 1 to be sold in Oldsmobile dealer showrooms. (Not your Fathers Oldsmobile) We had to use the 4.0 version engine. Power could be increased but C.I.D was limited to 4.0L. Custom cams, exhaust headers & PCM by Delco raised power to 327HP. We could use just about any GM suspension parts except for the recently introduced C5 Corvette.

Sheets on the bed? you're getting too fancy RN.


On the issue of power, Juan Pablo Montoya did an interview discussing his personal car collection not too long ago. He's had all manner of Porsche, Ferrari, GTR (b-day gift from wife), etc. He says the HP is getting out of hand and now avoids these cars on the street. For a guy who has driven all manner of car to the limit, and has plenty of experience in taming such beasts, it really makes you wonder. When he drove for McLaren we had a friend in common who told he said that the V12 whatever Mercedes engine was simply "not safe" for the lead-footed public.
Being that he does most of his personal driving around Miami, I can see the concern.

Out of hand or foot
 

I think we all wish for more HP from time to time, I think if I had a 981 S it would just about be all I would ever need...heck my 01S hos more power than I ever really use..once I had it to 145 ( and that was no big effort)...once and will never do so again unless I am trying to out run a tornado ( our State Animal here in AL)

The 981 S is just over 300HP , probably 290ish to the wheels but mostly the non concern of the IMS "Feature" porsche gave us would be mind settling.

My car will corner better than anything I have ever owned including my E36, it spends most of its life at 3K RPM on the road doing 60 MPH

If I was going to have an American Muscle Car, it would be a Challenger.\
When the Big 3 did the redo a few years back of the 70's cars, only Dodge kept it true to form. The Camaro looks like Godzilla stepped on it and squashed it, The Mustang is pretty good, but Dodge hit it out of the park, at least styling wise. Put a 70's Challenger next to a new one and they look almost the same. The new one is updated slightly, but very true to form.

As far as 700 HP, well it will be really fact in a straight line, but our Boxsters will run circles around it on curves, even with a 3rd of the HP. Hell, the 0-60 time isn't that impressive considering the HP and Torque. A new 911 turbo is faster with a lot less HP

Owned one
 

Back in the middle 70's I had two Dodge Chargers, one was a cherry 318 Engine that was just a decent car...the4 other was a 440 Magnum with a 6 Pack....used gas like it only cost 32 cents a gallon......hey it did ;-)

But they were not that great of cars, the interiors left a lot to be desired, both mine seem to start rusting almost as soon as they had 5 thousand miles on them. Differential problems ...more out of the 318 than the 440 Mag.

Most people do not remember what it was like to dispose of a car when it hit 85K because it was worn out.