Drove a 09 Cayman S: Big mistake!

[Perfectlap]

Those 09+ cars have a much bigger drop in depreciation in their near futures than the cars that have already been out of warranty for some time. This would be the worst time to upgrade to the new engine, you'll be taking the bulk of a car's second big wave of depreciation. Right now there's still a huge jump in pricing from 05-08 to 09+. That's like standing on a bubble.

[The French Dude]

Does Cayman 06 have ims issues ?

[stephen wilson]

It still has an IMS bearing that can fail, same as the Boxster. Though it would appear the larger '06-08 bearings fail at a lesser rate than the earlier single row bearings, similar to the original double row bearings.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by stephen wilson

It still has an IMS bearing that can fail, same as the Boxster. Though it would appear the larger '06-08 bearings fail at a lesser rate than the earlier single row bearings, similar to the original double row bearings.

For the first 100k miles...
After that, short of splitting open the engine, you are stuck with that single row bearing that wasn't intended to be a permanent part. Meanwhile the older Boxsters can have theirs replaced in a day. Or eliminated altogether like on a 09+ plus engine.

[trimer]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

For the first 100k miles...
After that, short of splitting open the engine, you are stuck with that single row bearing that wasn't intended to be a permanent part. Meanwhile the older Boxsters can have theirs replaced in a day. Or eliminated altogether like on a 09+ plus engine.

I have asked this a couple times on this forum when I have seen it but how can one get rid of the IMS all together?

[Ian c]

Originally Posted by trimer

I have asked this a couple times on this forum when I have seen it but how can one get rid of the IMS all together?

Fit a dfi engine

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by trimer

I have asked this a couple times on this forum when I have seen it but how can one get rid of the IMS all together?

Well I should have said no bearings like an 09+ DFi engine. The bearing are the enemy within. The LNE Solution for single bearing cars uses no ball bearings, thus you never have to deal with IMS issue ever again. But the cost is higher obviously.

[trimer]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Well I should have said no bearings like an 09+ DFi engine. The bearing are the enemy within. The LNE Solution for single bearing cars uses no ball bearings, thus you never have to deal with IMS issue ever again. But the cost is higher obviously.

Got it...thanks!

[surf40]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Right now there's still a huge jump in pricing from 05-08 to 09+. That's like standing on a bubble.

Good point! Maybe get a 2000-2004 now, and then in a few years, get the 2009 for 20K!

[Ian c]

A boxster is rarely going to earn you money .
Forget depreciation and buy what you want .

Or , buy a car that loses money and a car that makes money .
That way balance is restored

[husker boxster]

Cars in general, including Porsches, hit a depreciation drop in yr 4. Maybe because warranties are running out. The 09's will be hitting that drop this yr.

However, there was this little thing called a recession that hit in 08 and it drastically affected sales of the 09 Caymans. 08 Cayman sales were in the 20K units while 09 Cayman sales were less than 2K. With a more desirable motor and substantially fewer 09s in circulation, the laws of supply and demand take over. Chances are the 09s will hold their value better than other yrs.

PerfectLap mentions the IMSB in an 06-08 Cayman will fail at some pt. He mentions it happening after 100K mi. If you make it to or past 100K mi, is it really a design flaw? My point is a 987.1 is a reliable car. There are plenty of 06s that are now getting into the 100K mi category. The 987s with the M97 engine were not included in the Porsche settlement because they don't break IMSs at a substantial rate. Don't discount buying a 987.1 because of IMS.

[Johnny Danger]

Drive a 2004 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale and you'll forget all about the Cayman.

[ekam]

Originally Posted by Johnny Danger

Drive a 2004 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale and you'll forget all about the Cayman.

360CS still commands big money vs the Modena.

This article does have a point...

Could an Old Ferrari be a Better Deal than a New 911? | 6SpeedOnline.com

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by husker boxster

PerfectLap mentions the IMSB in an 06-08 Cayman will fail at some pt. He mentions it happening after 100K mi. If you make it to or past 100K mi, is it really a design flaw?

If the engine would easily survive well past 100k if not for the bearing then I would call that a design flawe. And by survive I mean an engine that could be rebuilt without having to contend with the sort of carnage you often get with IMS failures. And using a sealed bearing where oil starvation could lead to this much destruction was inherently flawed engineering. Servicing a bearing by only one means, engine splitting, when already built cars don't need this added expense, is head-scratching engineering. To me it says they didn't really investigate the cause of failures but instead chose to concentrate on raising the level of tolerance before failure.

P.s.
I agree with you entirely on peak credit crisis cars holding value, so as long as interest rates remain low. But Bernanke seems to be telling us that the saying "all good things must come to an end" is about to come true. I would be selling real soon if i dont plan to keep a soon to be out of warranty car. Which means if I'm a buyer I'm waiting until next year or at least depositing the cash from a loan now to use later when loans get harder to get for the same rates and amounts.

[Ian c]

BUY GOLD !!! BUY GOLD !!!



The amount of guys on here with "LN" in the signatures is astonishing .
Are you really trying to say "I'm smarter than porsche , and smarter than you ... Look at me !!! " Lmao

Yet in the same sentence bemoaning the porsche they own being a mass produced "disposable car" ...

It really is ridiculous .

Porsche have allways been about "evolution not revolution" , yet many big-up there older cars at the expense of the far superior later cars .., why is that ?
Ego self pleasure ?
Listen to your mummy ... That will make you blind you know .

Porsche "problems" have been going on for years , yet overall they are great cars .
Car guys simply learn about the issues , deal with them , and move on .
No crying .
No bull .
No Internet expertise .
Just drive them and have fun ...

:ah:

[bobclive]

Is it fair on the consumer, I mean the used car consumer, the guy who saves for years to buy his first Porsche, the guy who cannot bear the cost of a new engine, the guy who sees bog standard ill maintained Fords lasting well over 200,000 miles and has NO idea of the hazards when purchasing what he is told is one of the finest engineered cars made.

It is a scandal when ONE small bearing failure can totally wreck an engine, if the failure numbers in the 987 are so small Porsche should be prepared to replace all those engines, the last fix by Porsche has condemned future owners of those mid 2005-2009 cars to an extremely expensive repair when that bearing shows any signs of wear and it will.

Perhaps someone can inform me of any other manufacturer using this type of bearing within the confines of their engine. If Porsche cared about their second user customers they would never have inserted a bearing they knew would fail at ANY time and could NOT be replaced at reasonable cost.

I am UK retired, I sold my late 2005 Boxster S with 15,000 miles and the final IMS fix, It was a summer car doing about 2,000 per year, it was a ticking time bomb, If it had been an early cheap to fix 2005 car I would never have sold it.
I now have a Gen2 2.9 car with NO DFI, can`t get carbon buildup on this engine.

[nicecar]

Originally Posted by Ian c

BUY GOLD !!! BUY GOLD !!!



The amount of guys on here with "LN" in the signatures is astonishing .
Are you really trying to say "I'm smarter than porsche , and smarter than you ... Look at me !!! " Lmao

Yet in the same sentence bemoaning the porsche they own being a mass produced "disposable car" ...

It really is ridiculous .

Porsche have allways been about "evolution not revolution" , yet many big-up there older cars at the expense of the far superior later cars .., why is that ?
Ego self pleasure ?
Listen to your mummy ... That will make you blind you know .

Porsche "problems" have been going on for years , yet overall they are great cars .
Car guys simply learn about the issues , deal with them , and move on .
No crying .
No bull .
No Internet expertise .
Just drive them and have fun ...

:ah:

3.5 years of reading on this forum ,I would tell someone to read this post. Everything I own is maintenance and they ALL have weak points