Most reliable Porsche long term?
So I greatly enjoy my Boxster, and it is fairly low mileage - 2001 with 54k miles.
Obviously like everyone here, I always have certain issues in the back of my mind - such as the infamous IMS failure. Generally normal wear and tear and maintenance is fine, but to have the threat of a complete engine failure looming is a bit much. So what's the next step up? Obviously a 2009+ Boxster is more reliable, but what about cars between 2001-2009? Are the 996 911 models reliable and free from these troubles? How about the early Cayman cars? Same deal? Or is there a particular engine that is more robust? |
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I would say your own car is very reliable except for the IMS, and there are a lot of people who swear even the IMS isn't much of an issue. My big concern if I were you would not be the risk of the IMS breaking but the cost of replacing the engine if it does. If I were you and really liked my car, I would invest in a new clutch and the LN Engineering fix for the IMS (you'll probably need a new clutch soon anyway, and the same labor is involved). That would be a heckuva lot cheaper than trading and probably just as reliable or more so. I hear the 06's through 08's have a Porsche-improved IMS and don't have much problem with it (I hope, because I have an 08). However, as a practical matter you can't upgrade it. If you have the money, anything 09 and newer should be very reliable ... but very expensive, too. |
The 996 range has the same IMS issue as the 986. As previously stated, Porsche improved the IMS in the 997 / 987 range. It's not totally bullet proof but far fewer issues. However, you can easily replace the IMS in a 986 but it requires the engine to be totally torn apart to replace the IMS in a 987. So you could spend $2K on your 986 for a clutch / IMS replacement and have peace of mind or go up to a 987 and feel fairly confident or buy a 987 gen II (2009 or newer) and be certain.
How much are you willing to spend? Peace of mind = $$$. |
Upgrading the IMS is a lot cheaper than purchasing a newer Boxster or Cayman.
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So the upgraded ims and clutch should run around $2k? Are they both always done together?
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Bought my 2000 S six speed stick this summer with 60 thou miles.Very quickly had my indie garage do the LN IMS upgrade and RMS just to be safe.REAL peace of mind.Was with him when he did it and my original parts were perfect.Did clutch while in there as well.
This whole exercise suits my personal risk tolerance.This is similar to the idea of purchasing an extended warranty only better as it will avert the rare possibility of a huge problem.I did my research on the issue and planned to do it.I spent just under 3 grand and I intend to keep the car.I can now drive it as Porsche intended it to be driven! My first Porsche ! |
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80's 911 is the most bulletproof porsche I know of. Easy to work on and if you don't live in a really hot climate drive really well all year round.
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Even a venerable 996 GT3 suffers from coolant leaks that require engine removal and re-welding all the joints in the system. Oops! Every car has issues and if you go to the appropriate car forum you will learn about them. On the 986 forum we learn about it's issues. Few cars of any make are more reliable than the 986 Boxster with a few well known exceptions that have well understood solutions. |
Bah! Who needs climate control, that why we live in California! The only time I used to turn on my heater was to cool the engine temperature down in heavy slow traffic!
Actually, I miss the simplicity of older cars , without computer stuff, and radio codes, and power windows and such. they are so much easier to work on and maintain. I've considering picking up another early 70's 911 but I do like a little air conditioning on those black tie days in my old age. In reality though, that's not for everybody, if you want a reasonably reliable sports car , most Porsches are good, certainly better than most of the competition in the same class. |
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I say only consider 2009 and newer. No IMS issues anymore. CPO is the best bet.
If you're moving out of the Boxster and into a Carrera, the 997.2 gets high praise, a huge improvement over the 996 Carrera platform. |
I believe the 09 they did away with the IMS, now add a TIP and you should have a Porsche good for a very long time. But, if you like shifting, you can start putting away what it will cost you to replace in the future...about $2-3 grand.:dance:
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Removing the IMS wasn't what was required to build a better engine. In fact EVERY aircooled Porsche since the pushrod 356 has had an IMS, its called a layshaft.
As we explore into the DFI engine on year #3 of our 9a1 development we have already found the strengths and weaknesses with the platform. We found them faster than anyone else having pushed the envelope to 4.2 liters over 18 months ago. |
Jake: I've been looking for a 997.2, Have you found that motor to be reasonably reliable?
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Friends don't let friends buy sports cars with torque converters! ;) :p. :cheers: |
^ you must have been reading my mind. I was watching some 981 Boxster videos and the PDK, particluarly in sport mode, was actually starting to sound appealing for once.
The first PDK seemed to have "lag", although I heard this was fixed on certain models pre-2012. At any rate that sounds like an out-of-warranty nightmare. Considering Porsche have told 997 GT3 drivers who wrecked their cars because of the center lock wheels coming undone, to go pound sand, I don't put any faith in "new" or "experimental" Porsche engineering. |
Here here! I love P-cars, but I'm not a huge fan of Porsche customer service. I prefer to keep it simple, mad a simple manual with me controlling the as many variables as possible is my preferred choice. I was actually happy to find a car without PSM. I wanted a sports car, and that's what I got. I'd have been fine with wind down windows. I realize not everyone thinks this way and that's fine too. But the more complex the system, the more there is to break. It's why aircraft engines still use magnetos for ignition and air for cooling in most cases. You can't just pull over and call roadside assistance when your automated whatever ceases to automate.
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