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Jake Raby · 08-13-2012, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Petermark1972

Thanks for the suggestions Opus but to be honest I'm the process of selling and I just want to get the car roadworthy and through the MOT...

Please don't pass a problem onto another Porsche buyer. We see this happen over and over again with these cars and its just not right.

Petermark1972 · 08-13-2012, 08:37 AM

I'm not passing the problem on but I'm not putting in a brand new engine just to sell it and not get my money out of it. It will be better than when I had it as the engine will have 20k less miles on it and I will be telling the buyer exactly what happened. It's then up to them, as it is up to anyone buying a boxster, whether or not they pay to get the IMS fix done...

boxster6354 · 08-13-2012, 08:44 AM

Do you have a buyer lined up already?

If you did it may be a good option for the buyer to make a choice if he wants to pay the difference for Clutch/IMS while the mechanic has it apart for the swap.

Petermark1972 · 08-13-2012, 08:54 AM

Good thinking boxster6354... I don't have a buyer lined up yet. I was going to take it off sale until it was fixed but I could give them the option. I know it makes sense to do the fix when the engines out but it doesn't make any financial sense for me. It would just be money down the pan... If I was keeping the car then I would do it without a second thought. Do you think there would be much chance of me selling the car as it is with a big reduction on price?

boxster6354 · 08-13-2012, 09:04 AM

I am contemplating buying another car that is well below price based on the fact that the seller's daughter had a wreck and he did not have insurance to cover repair or just did not want to be bothered with it.

The ad had stated all the issues with a statement/estimate from the mechanic and he had also documented where the parts needed to repair could be sourced along with the mechanic that would repair.........

So it is always an option, maybe check with your mechanic on how long he would let you store the car there while you list it, he might not charge if you list it as he would be the one repairing??

Good luck!

Uller God · 08-13-2012, 09:45 AM

If I were a buyer I would seek out a 986 with the updated LN IMSB, it's a selling point and will easily fetch the extra coin that you would need to invest before the sale.

boxster6354 · 08-13-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Uller God

If I were a buyer I would seek out a 986 with the updated LN IMSB, it's a selling point and will easily fetch the extra coin that you would need to invest before the sale.

I agree it would be a selling point for a buyer, but would the seller recoup costs?

If you had two 2001MY Boxsters where they were the exact same with exception to the IMS being performed on one and the cost difference was say $2000.00 would you really pay the difference?

My thinking is that the general public does not even know what an IMS is and the enthusiast knows that even if you have the IMS upgraded that it still is a flawed Porsche design and not guaranteed to never go out (per LN own website):

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Does installing an IMS Retrofit™ or doing an IMS Upgrade make my engine immune to an IMS failure?

It's hard to answer that question, but we have to say NO.

Porsche revised the design three times across the MY97 to MY08 M96 engine and eventually decided to eliminate the IMS completely from the new MY09 engines. Even with our improvements, it is still a flawed design.

Now if you have the IMS upgraded sure you are increasing your odds that it will not fail, but on the same thought you have Boxsters with over 100,000 miles that never had the IMS failure, it really is a game of odds.

Now back to the OP, would he recoup cost during sale for engine replacement, clutch and IMS/RMS on a 2001 Boxster...............Never.

Uller God · 08-13-2012, 03:33 PM

If the OP was to install a used motor prior sale the IMSB upgrade would only up the price around $600. He could easily sell the higher price by asking the buyer to do a quick www search for "porsche IMS"

I would suggest the OP to sell as is and upgrade to a 997 twin turbo.

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Originally Posted by boxster6354

I agree it would be a selling point for a buyer, but would the seller recoup costs?

If you had two 2001MY Boxsters where they were the exact same with exception to the IMS being performed on one and the cost difference was say $2000.00 would you really pay the difference?

My thinking is that the general public does not even know what an IMS is and the enthusiast knows that even if you have the IMS upgraded that it still is a flawed Porsche design and not guaranteed to never go out (per LN own website):

Now if you have the IMS upgraded sure you are increasing your odds that it will not fail, but on the same thought you have Boxsters with over 100,000 miles that never had the IMS failure, it really is a game of odds.

Now back to the OP, would he recoup cost during sale for engine replacement, clutch and IMS/RMS on a 2001 Boxster...............Never.

Jake Raby · 08-13-2012, 07:23 PM

If you experienced an IMSB failure the engine has experienced collateral damages well beyond the scope of just the IMSB failure. The collateral damages from these failures is always more than just the primary bearing failure, especially when someone drove the car to death rattling and leaking oil.

Its not as simple as replacing the bearing, more than likely the IMSB tensioner paddle is also snapped in half, at least..

To illustrate this simply follow this link to the current engine thats apart on my bench right now... Its all posted in this album on our Facebook page. This one was also "driven to death".
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.492731007421366.125415.184464434914693&type=1

boxster6354 · 08-13-2012, 08:59 PM

Jake -

Looking at those photos and when I came across the bearing shot where your caption was "When your balls are in the tube, its game over.."

I must say that is a saying to live by LMFAO

Petermark1972 · 08-18-2012, 09:35 AM

UPDATE... I advertised the car again as a 'winter project' and explained exactly what happened. I had my first viewer within 20 mins of the ad going live and the car is now sold. Just waiting on it being picked up. Was sold to a gentleman who owns a repair shop and also happens to have a damaged boxster with a perfectly good engine...
By my reckoning I've lost around £4,000 on the car since I bought it but if I had bought a brand new Ford Focus I probably would have lost the same amount... At least this way I had the thrill of owning a Porsche... Thanks for all the help over the last few months and happy motoring