02-17-2012, 06:42 AM
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02-17-2012, 07:40 AM
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Clearly, this has been at the top of your mind for a while.
Question to ask yourself - is the ~$2k worth regaining (some of) your sanity?
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02-17-2012, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Stroked & Blown
Clearly, this has been at the top of your mind for a while.
Question to ask yourself - is the ~$2k worth regaining (some of) your sanity?
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How doth one know this ?
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02-17-2012, 11:35 AM
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My guess would be;
1. Find the engineer that came up with this design and ******************** slap him
2. Find the best engineered way to fix the problem
3. Go out and repair the cars and the damaged reputation they've done to his name
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02-18-2012, 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaxonalden
My guess would be;
1. Find the engineer that came up with this design and ******************** slap him
2. Find the best engineered way to fix the problem
3. Go out and repair the cars and the damaged reputation they've done to his name
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My guess would be the engineers told management the design was weak. The true people to find and fry are the bean counters at the company. Bring each unit to market at xyz price, even if that means ignoring the engineers and crossing fingers. Building anything the best way and keeping it profitable seldom have a nexus. As for the numbers thread, regardless of how many engines blew up, when one does and a customer complains about it, stonewalling is a poor response, their customer care must be run by Heinrich Himmler.
PS To rip Robin W, Look, your IMS like a testicle hangs low in the sky. If I still had my 986 I'd just replace the IMS every clutch job.
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02-18-2012, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Ghostrider 310;278716 My guess would be[I
the engineers told management the design was weak[/I]. The true people to find and fry are the bean counters at the company. Bring each unit to market at xyz price, even if that means ignoring the engineers and crossing fingers. Building anything the best way and keeping it profitable seldom have a nexus. As for the numbers thread, regardless of how many engines blew up, when one does and a customer complains about it, stonewalling is a poor response, their customer care must be run by Heinrich Himmler.
PS To rip Robin W, Look, your IMS like a testicle hangs low in the sky. If I still had my 986 I'd just replace the IMS every clutch job.
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Ghostrider,
The bean counters didn't design the bearing, the engineers did! They should have done their stress analysis to come up with the MTBF (mean time between failure) models. Those models would have produced numbers showing an inferior design through premature breakdown and failure. At that time only the prototypes would have been produced and cost would have been low to redesign.
I would think a roller bearing over a ball bearing to distribute all the stress and handle the high speeds the IMS encounters. Think about it, the surface (and pin point pressure) of a ball bearing in contact with the race vs. the surface of a cylindrical bearing and the distribution it can achieve...duh!
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02-18-2012, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaxonalden
Ghostrider,
The bean counters didn't design the bearing, the engineers did! They should have done their stress analysis to come up with the MTBF (mean time between failure) models. Those models would have produced numbers showing an inferior design through premature breakdown and failure. At that time only the prototypes would have been produced and cost would have been low to redesign.
I would think a roller bearing over a ball bearing to distribute all the stress and handle the high speeds the IMS encounters. Think about it, the surface (and pin point pressure) of a ball bearing in contact with the race vs. the surface of a cylindrical bearing and the distribution it can achieve...duh!
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Jax,
I worked on design teams in the fortune 100. I saw how it worked across business lines and at three powerhouse companies during my career. Profit is always the main objective, profit improvement as well. Many were the times millions was spent correctly in application of a beautiful modification. Just as many times, correct fixes and accurate predictions of imminent failure before launch were ignored in the classic American business paradigm of "damn the glitches, we'll repair them in the field on the fly and bless them as ongoing modifications". It was also frequently true that 100% remedies were avoided in cost containment, with those very decisions being made by the holders of the purse.
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02-18-2012, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghostrider 310
Jax,
I worked on design teams in the fortune 100. I saw how it worked across business lines and at three powerhouse companies during my career. Profit is always the main objective, profit improvement as well. Many were the times millions was spent correctly in application of a beautiful modification. Just as many times, correct fixes and accurate predictions of imminent failure before launch were ignored in the classic American business paradigm of "damn the glitches, we'll repair them in the field on the fly and bless them as ongoing modifications". It was also frequently true that 100% remedies were avoided in cost containment, with those very decisions being made by the holders of the purse.
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So is that the real reason American quality and the state of the economy is the way it is? Not spending the extra money it takes to get it right?
Bad reputations take years to repair, and sometimes thats not long enough.
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02-17-2012, 02:30 PM
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Ferdinand's favorite Porsche ? Do you know ?
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02-17-2012, 06:08 PM
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I say if it's broke just fix it!:dance:
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02-18-2012, 04:17 PM
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What would Ferdinand Porsche say??
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he'd say what he said: "The perfect racing car crosses the finish line first and subsequently falls into its component parts."
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02-18-2012, 04:38 PM
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he'd say what he said: "The perfect racing car crosses the finish line first and subsequently falls into its component parts."
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I thought that was Colin Chapman's quote, I learned something new.
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02-20-2012, 04:40 AM
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What did Ferdinand say about his favorite Porsche ? Quote, " I have not built it yet !"
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