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Sat in the 991 at Detroit Auto Show...
I'm really not crazy with the slanted windshield design that all the manufacturers are doing. It pushes the dash & steering wheel further forward away from you. (Yes I have tried adjusting the powered adjustable steering wheel on 2 separate cars but it won't come further forward.)
I also notice you sit into the car and you'll get surrounded by the high dash and doors like a tank as supposed to looking the car's front fenders like on the 986. 986 or 993 and earlier owners know what I'm talking about. (I'm 6'2".) The standard full powered seats are very, very supportive, but definitely not for large people and I wonder the side bolster will wear quickly as you'll rub when you get in and out for sure. Carrera S now have standard 6-pot front calipers. The wheels also have a slightly different (satin?) finish than the common painted silver color. They look nice. It does not have front radiator, the center black hole is fake and does not redirect air to the side like the 997.2. Frunk has everything covered up with plastic bits except for windshield wiper cap. Rear "hatch" opens but everything is covered except for coolant cap I think ... I couldn't find the oil cap. Not good for DIYer but I guess the new owners won't be doing any DIY. Pictures coming later this afternoon... |
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Great photos, better than most magazines to date.
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Agreed....great stuff Ekam!
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+1 w/ landrovered....Great shots, man!!!!
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Very nice photos! Thanks.
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Agreed on the photography, well done Ekam. Except for the rear bumper novel and chaotic seams / lines all over it, I like the rest.
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Notice how small the driver looks in the car? This thing is huge.
The interior has alot of shiney metal and complicated shapes. It's way overstyled imo. |
I want to see the 911 with a big ass wing on the back before I make my final verdict. It is elegant but can it carry the full monte ?
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I can't help but wonder what the car would be like at 70% it's new size. SO much more fun, I'm sure. |
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Thanks for the detailed images. Looking forward to sitting in one myself!
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The good news is that as everything Porsche moves upmarket, the older 911's start to look like incredible deals so I've been looking at a few 996 Turbo's with low miles at half the price of a new Boxster.
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Yup, great deal on 996 Turbo for sure... no IMS, proven platform for 600, hell even 700+hp.
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I'm sure in private he will tell you that the grandpa ride/Rohrl time sheet essence of these now longer than a Corvette (just put the engine the middle already) Carreras are making an undeniable turn in the direction of more Aston Martin less Steve McQueen. |
If you haven't read it, you should read Automobile's review of the car by Jason Commisa. I think it was the most honest perspective of all that I've read.
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Perfectlap wrote "grandpa ride/Rohrl time sheet essence of these now longer than a Corvette (just put the engine the middle already) Carreras are making an undeniable turn in the direction of more Aston Martin less Steve McQueen"
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I think this sums up what I wanted to say all along... http://autos.sympatico.ca/premium-reviews/10255/2012-porsche-911-carrera-middle-age-spread Yet another less than impressed review. |
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Honestly, I would of completely rolled my eyes at the first article awhile back. Now that I've spent a bit of time driving an air cooled Pcar, I get the difference. They are very different animals, the older vs. newer. As to which is better, depends on the person. Strangely enough, this article ties in well with the prior post regarding Porsche's CEO describing their future target market. |
What both articles are really saying is that the 991 is the 911 that BMW would have built. Fast and luxurious but not quite a 911 in the historical sense of a 911.
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There's no lightweight sports car out there anymore save Lotus Elise which is getting discontinued, and Mazda Miata. Perhaps we should just look forward to the 2700lbs, 200hp Scion FRZ / Subaru BRZ. |
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The question isn't which is better, old or new, it's a story of the loss of a sports car manufacturer. Porsche only builds GTs and trucks now. |
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Porsche is suffering Sedanification its like Californication only worse! It's as if they have set out to make the "paraplegic access only" rear 911 seats actually become ...seats! As for water versus air cooled, I can't see an old air cooled unit liking modern traffic jams in August too long without overheating. The sound however from an air cooled unit is far better than the muted whimpy tone Porsche uses to make TUV happy. |
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The only thing that does get me is the size difference, which is literally the case with most cars I can think of (my kid's Corolla is bigger than the Accord my wife had 15 years back). Two of my neighbors have red Miatas, one of the initial generation and the other is the newest with the retractable metal roof, they are quite different in size, weight and how they handle, my choice of those two would be easy also. Almost every model (Pcar, BMW, MB, Japanese, Domestic) I can think of that's been around for decades has bloated. I'll never forget the test drive I took in the 993 with the prior owner, I couldn't get over the fact that we were rubbing elbows sitting in it, the 986 had much more width in the front seat. Getting it home and parking it right next to the 986 was an eye opener also. If Porsche didn't evolve and utilize today's technology, imagine how they would get lambasted by the press then. Think of their target market and the vehicles that would be cross shopped and how they are equipped, what choice do they have if they want to draw sales and compete? |
Building grandpa ride cars is fine, they should just call them something else other than Carreras. This is like Tony Stewart thanking his crew for making his Camry awesome to drive in a NASCAR race. But in reverse. Porsche is using a car's racing heritage to sell something cushy and automated -- when those two things weren't what made it cool in the first place. Keep the Carrera and Boxsters as they are and simply come up with a new name for a coupe that a doctor, Chinese billionaire, rapper or Hollywood actor would want to drive.
They're trying to have it both ways and in the end they will be making Porsche nothing different from Audi, Merc, Jaguar and BMW. Cars with more and more power and more and more driver assists to keep said doctors and billionaires out of the Armco. |
Porsche has cheapened their mark, first by manufacturing trucks, then by allowing VW to get at the master panel and finally by moving away from the sports car legend. Now it's Ferrari and Lambo that make only sports cars and frankly don't seem to care if you're too tall or fat to fit. I hope we don't see the day when Ferrari makes a 50k POS and adorns it with the prancing horse the old man lifted from a fighter pilot insignia.
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There's no manual transmission in new Ferraris and Lambos anymore.
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There used to be a major difference between a sports car and a sedan. You made sacrifices to get what you wanted. Now you can use one as the other and the only real difference is the number of doors. Major, important things have been lost in the process. |
You check out driving a car with manual steering, no hydraulic clutch, weighs 2100 pounds, has ZERO emissions nonsense and no 5 mph bumpers. The thing is 40 years old and it's still a hoot, they have gone too far just like you said.
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That's surprising, I guess keeping both systems available was too expensive. Still, I'm sure if you are say a Saudi Prince you can get a gearbox, just bring gold bars along. |
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EDIT: Oh wait that pic is a 430... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F430 |
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