Groaning sound from steering
 

Wondering if y'all can help me diagnose this.

2001 S, 105 Kmi. From time to time, when I turn the steering wheel, there is a groaning sound coming from the front of the car. It's most audible when I coast to a stop; when accelerating it's difficult to hear because of engine noise.

It sounds like a power steering pump, but that can't really be it because the pump is rear of the driver, and this sound is definitely coming from the front.

P/s fluid level seems fine. No drips. I jacked up the front but could not find anything obviously amiss. I have not yet taken the plastic underbody off, but there is no evidence of leakage anywhere around the steering rack.

Any ideas? Maybe just air in the p/s lines?

Thanks,
Gary

Must be an 01 S thing because mine does the same thing, on the passenger side when the car is warm. Let me know what you find.

Huge longshot but is the belt stretched or old?

PS You think you heard a groan, wait till the groan you hear leave your own body when you get the pentosin to the cash register.

I've a similar noise on my 2000 2.7 now also. Will check PS levels later failing that might be a trip to a local garage to get it looked into :(

First check your fluid level...if it's ok I would suspect the pump could be failing and not supplying enough fluid to the rack or the rack could be by-passing fluid. Since the system is basically sealed with fluid moving though all the time I would not consider a blocked line. Post what you find, it helps everyone here. :cheers:

:cheers:

my 1st guess.

I know a lot of older fords have a very loud groaning that comes from their power steering, but that's normal.

“Grumbling” or “groaning” are fairly well documented and common signs of a dying power steering pump. Pumps most often die for two reasons: Heat, or low fluid levels (the system has very little reserve fluid, and the filler is hard to get at). No parts are available to rebuild the pump either, it has to be replaced………….

I'm interested as well, I have a slight "groan" but only on the passenger side and only when I make a *right turn* at low speed...?

same issue 03 boxster S
 

:dance: I await some enlightenment, :confused:

same problem here ...

At the risk of angering the Porsche gods... my boxster is no longer making the noise.

I topped off the pentosin (it was not really low) and it made the noise a couple of more times and then it stopped on it own.

I would not relate the cessation of the noise to my merely adding a thimble full of pentosin any more than I would suggest the effectiveness of offering blood sacrifices.

I am still just as stumped on this one as I was before.

Hey, when you said "you topped off", where in the dipstick is the level after topping off?. There are two marks in the dipstick.
"Cold" which is pretty much at the end of the sipstick and "Warm" which is much higher
My car makes the noise only when cold so I am tempted to overfill a little...

Yes when I say "topped it off", I mean I overfilled it.

So I did a little search on the interwebs and apparently tracked Boxsters and Caymans have the tendency to cook the power steering fluid and consequently damage the pump and the power steering lines:

http://boxcar-racing.com/forum/index.php?topic=177.0
http://boxcar-racing.com/forum/index.php?topic=145.0
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/racing-and-drivers-education-forum/149499-boxster-ps-fix-for-brian-p-and-other-boxster-de-and-racers.html
http://www.planet-9.com/cayman-boxster-competition/19400-power-steering-fixes-without-big-bucks.html

Ah, one more thing to worry about in these sleepless nights...

Landrovered, you are a very good writer. And entertaining too!

My power steering fluid reservoir needs a top off once a year but doesn't make noise. Should I be worried about this?

Hmmmm, so far so good, no more groaning this morning :cheers:

So, I (2001 S) have this same groan / creak coming from the front when I turn the steering wheel. It's not doing it all the time, so that's what makes it more challenging to diagnose.

However, yesterday I had a diagnostic breakthrough: the noise appeared when I came back from a drive. I jacked up the front of the car, and there was no noise when turning the steering wheel. Back on the ground, the noise was back.

To me, this indicates the noise has nothing to do with the steering rack, or low/high p/s fluid. It must be something in the front suspension that gets stressed when the wheels turn. I am thinking control arms, perhaps struts.

Anyone have an idea based on this information?

It is probably still the pump. The resistance from the tires on the road build pressure in the fluid, which is what stresses the pump, which is what makes it groan.

Blue,

The sound comes clearly from the area right next to the front wheels. I stood outside the car, turning the steering wheel through the open window. No mistake possible. I don't see how the p/s pump could be responsible for the noise coming from that area?

Also, it is a very mechanical sound. Like a rusty old spring, or a creaking door hinge opened very slowly. A low metal-on-metal scraping sound.

Thanks!

Edited: the more I think about it, the sound is probably what I would imagine a dry ball joint would sound like.

I experience creaking/groaning from my lower control arm (the one with the ball joint) and I've replaced one side three times now and the other side once up front. These go out frequently on our cars.

Fill the power steering reservoir and then see if the creaking still exists, if it does I'm confident you have a worn lower control arm. If you remove it and the ball joint flops around and grinds with aluminum on steel, you know you found the culprit.

Agreed with Randall. Vertex auto has rebuilts and just ball joints (for the already rebuilt arms) that will save a little $.

http://www.****************************************.com/SubCategory/Steering%20and%20Suspension/Control%20Arms%20and%20Related%20Parts.aspx

A solution, hopefully -

I put the car on ramps and investigated more closely where the sound comes from. It seemed to come from near the top of the struts. There is a rubber "bearing" there. I sprayed that bearing with teflon silicone lubricant from above and below. The sound is gone for now :)

Time will tell how well this fix worked...

To add my tuppence/knowledge, if it helps at all;

When the fluid is low due to age/leaks/whatever reason, not only does the steering get affected slightly, but the pump itself gets damaged - this is because the power steering fluid is actually lubricating the pump as well as working the steering.

When fluid runs low, the pump *will* get damaged to some extent - so if you know you have low liquid, STOP driving immediately, and fix/top-up. I know a guy who thought he would just have a difficult to steer car whilst he got home, and drove 5 miles or so and completely knackered the pump.

One way to check for power steering pump damage is to start the car, and turn the wheel to full lock and hold it there. If you get the groan, it's damaged. *However*, providing you fix the leak/top-up, you can keep a partially damaged pump going for years/ever. As long as you can live with the sound!

If I had an old Ford with the noise, I'd just ignore it, but not sure I would be able to with a porker :D

Where is the power steering reservoir on our cars? And what are you filling it with? I have this same issue on my 02. Lower speeds in a turn like pulling into a parking spot I'll hear a low groan from what seems to be my front left wheel. I just recently had my sway bar links replaced (which had gone bad) and thought that would have fixed the issue.

Also needing an answer to above questions ...

It's under the engine top cover, at the very top/front of the engine on my 987 . Pentosin fluid, though there may be a suitable replacement. I must have a small leak I can't find, mine was slightly low, causing a noise while turning and accelerating.

Pentosin is required just like RollsRoyces. There is a small & excessively short vent hose attached at the filler neck of the P/S fluid reservoir. The pump gets hot enough to lose fluid out this vent & deposit on top of the engine for eternity. This requires checking the fluid level often & installing a longer vent hose if you want to avoid pump problems & a oily, sticky mess ontop of your engine. While you are there suck out as much old Pentosin as you can & replace with new.

I have a funky sound sometimes in the left wheel area that eventually disappears as the car warms. I was told it is somehow related to the driver's air bag.

Thanks Pro, I'll have to look into a longer vent hose. I suspected something like that, because it is oily around the cap.

Power steering noise
 

I have the same grinding/groaning noise coming from the front of my car when I turn the wheel. How can I tell if its the pump or the rack? If its a bad pump, why is the noise coming from the front of the car?