What are peoples' opinion on preventative maintenance?
 

And what I mean here are items that potentially can leave you stranded if they fail, like an AOS, water pump, alternator, and idlers/pulleys. Not long ago, I had my water pump crap out on me, which almost left me stranded (luckily, I had enough time to drive it to the dealer). I actually had thought about replacing the water pump at 60k miles as a preventative, but it died on me at 59k. Lol. I guess my point is do you replace these things even when they're not broke, knowing that they probably will break at certain mileage, or do you chance it and keep driving and hoping it will not happen?

Reason I ask is because I'm thinking about replacing my AOS and all my idlers/pulleys this Spring, but it's not as if Porsche recommends replacement of these items at any set mileage or age interval. However, I just hate getting stranded, and failures of any of these items means I'll get stranded. I even change out my battery every 4 yrs as a preventative. Lol. So, what are your thoughts? Leave well enough alone or change em out?

I am a strong believer in preventative maintanance to a certain point. Wear items need to be replaced. It is my opinion that parts usually do not fail without warning IF you know what to look for. That being said I don't know that I would replace a water pump if it was not giving signs of failure. Belts, sure, bushings, yes, coil packs and plugs, certainly. Combining jobs to ease installation "while you are in there" makes sense from an economic sense as well to reduce labor in some cases. Like an IMS when you do the clutch.

When I off road I usually have several hundred pounds of spare parts with me, hell I even bring parts along for trucks I don't even own but this is a different situation. If you break down way way off in the booneys then it can cost you thousands to get your truck out of there and back to the pavement. So in this case it makes economic sense to carry lots of tools and parts that reduce economy and fill up a lot of space.

Of course this is different than driving a car that does not even have a real spare tire. With Porsche I carry no spares and only a minimal tool kit consisting of a few screwdrivers, spare light bulbs, fuses, a socket set and a crescent wrench. It weighs maybe three pounds. The most important tool you can carry in a Porsche is a cell phone.

The other thing I do even in the Porsche after years of driving British cars is play my favorite game of "guess that noise". I am always listening to the sounds the car in operation. If you know what to listen for and can discern whether it is consistant with speed, revs or increases with turning left or right then you can do a pretty good job of finding out what "the next thing to go" is and head it off at the pass.

I generally replace items before there is evidence of impending doom. Like batteries. On the issue of the other things, like water pumps etc. the suggestion above makes total sense. Combining.

I don't see a perfect solution but it seems to me that if you are "going in there" you might as well attend to the usual suspects.

Good luck.

Fixing something before it breaks is key...

Imagine if the FAA didn't require specialized PMs on aircraft and people treated them like their Porsches... I'd say we'd be losing planes on a daily basis.

It never ceases to amaze me how much people neglect these later Porsches, I never saw that with the aircooled cars.

We are doing an IMS Retrofit downstairs right now.. Two days ago when the owner dropped the car off and waited to see the "before" dyno evaluations I heard some horrible sounding chain tensioners and lifters when I fired the engine up. That prompted me to ask him how often he serviced the car, he said every 15K miles...

Those extended oil service intervals will cost him 7,000.00 in worn parts and labor, the bill is due tomorrow.

IMHO...

Proactive owners with dirt under their fingernails do not service their cars every X number of miles. They never stop servicing their vehicles.

There are some obvious cases that make sound economic sense for doing “preventative maintenance” on these cars, usually due to the design layout and component interactions and work flow (doing the IMS, RMS and clutch all at one time is an example). For example, if you have a base car and are thinking about going to the larger “S” oil cooler, it would be a good time to do any cooling system items (thermostat, water pump, etc.) because you are going to be opening up and draining the cooling system anyway, so why do it twice. To do the oil cooler, you need to remove the tube from the air box to throttle body, so why not change the air filter while you are in there. Something like the serpentine belt that can both stop you dead on the side of the road, as well as damage your engine, should be changed as part of normal service rather than waiting until it needs it as many auto part outlets do not stock these belts, even though they are a $20 item. We check the tensioners and idlers whenever we change out a belt; and check the water pump and alternator for bearing noise or play as well, but we do not change them unless they need it.

As for the AOS, we watch the earlier cars closely as then tend to have more issue than the ones with the redesigned units. That said, if you are in the engine bay for something else, you might want to consider changing it if it is an early unit or shows the slightest signs of going south.

And it is not even the interval Porsche now recommends for M96 engines
 

Sometime in 2007, they issued a recommended service interval chart that now recommends 12k oil changes.

I wonder how many of us knew that? I didn't until yesterday.

I did, because I posted that link on PPBB. :D

It is kinda interesting that they originally suggested 15k intervals between oil changes on the early models, and then later retroactively recommended that interval go down to 12k (they did the same kind of back peddling on other items for the car too, if you look at the chart). Same car, but all of a sudden, they tell you it needs more servicing than they originally thought.

It is not just Porsche doing this. Many other makes are reducing their service intervals as well.

Because the people buying the cars are too damn lazy to service them... The manufacturers are now in a battle to brag about service intervals and who can go the longest, all while they are using crappy parts to comprise their engines..

The more it appears to cost to maintain these cars the fewer people will buy them... Since no one cares about the 2nd, 3rd or 4th owner it all comes out in the wash later..

I can understand them reducing service intervals as they introduce new cars, but retroactively recommend shorter intervals on their older cars? I wonder what prompted them to do that? My car hasn't changed since 2001...why is it that at first my owner's manual said I could wait till 15k before I change my oil, but now, I should do it at 12k intervals? Or fuel filter and plugs changed they say I should change at 60k miles, but now they say it should be done at 48k intervals.

The manufacturers don't want to talk about "cost of ownership" because the high end cars would suck wind just on depreciation alone. When they are forced to talk about it they come up with free service plans and warranties and then try to change the subject to things like "quality and value".

The Pacific rim manufacturers raised the warranty anti to crazy levels and the other companies had to match them, why do you think the fight warranty claims tooth and nail.

Corporate speak for "we were wrong".

i replace the fluids, belt, pads and any other normal wear items regularly. Things like a water pump, alternator, etc i won't touch until they fail. Sometimes they can last the life of the car and sometimes not.

Normally 2x a year i will remove all tires and inspect the car. Usually in the spring and then in the fall.

The one thing that i have done as preventive maint was the aos. It is still in the box but i'll be changing it. I have seen the stories and it wasn't that much so i'll change it.

Changing oil at 12,000 mile intervals is over twice as long as any of the knowledgeable folks on this board would recommend.

I find all of this very interesting since I plan maintenance every spring and fall on my '02 S. My car now shows just about 17k miles, but I'm already thinking what could be replaced due to age, not wear. I've also updated the car with the LN products that I could easily install and am highly considering the IMS update, though my clutch is just fine. My friend is a wizz mechanic (Porsche owner) and this is something he may attempt to do to my car in our free time. His 996 had RMS issues, but that was replaced with a 997 CS...all his other P-Cars are air-cooled.

I just replace the parts listed on the regular interval list ahead of time or on time. Nothing else unless it's making a sound or is broken. IMO the car isn't worth much anymore and dumping parts into it(when they still could be functioning properly) is not worth it.

I have had water pumps last 100k miles and some last 20k miles. How do you know you are not taking out the 100k and putting in the 20k one?

"Fixing something before it breaks is key...

Imagine if the FAA didn't require specialized PMs on aircraft and people treated them like their Porsches... I'd say we'd be losing planes on a daily basis.

It never ceases to amaze me how much people neglect these later Porsches, I never saw that with the aircooled cars."

C'mon really...comparing a PM on a car to a PM on a jet carrying hunderds of people, a jet that is subjected to extreme weather conditions and metal fatigue, a jet that is in almost constant use. Are you joking?

Pboxstercar,

A word of advice... I get that you are pissed off at Jake. I too have been offended in the past by his inflexibility and over the top declarations such as the one that offended you. BUT, using the fact that he makes a living by working on Porsche is a moot point and poor arguement. It is a well known fact what he does for a living and he is a sponsor of this website.

If you find fault with his logic then produce data that supports your point. Simply tagging any post of his with a snide comment makes you look bad.

My advice is free, take it for what it is worth.

Well said.

I was in the process of editing it to:

C'mon really...comparing a PM on a car to a PM on a jet carrying hunderds of people, a jet that is subjected to extreme weather conditions and metal fatigue, a jet that is in almost constant use. Are you joking?

Whether a car or a jet, maintenance is in essence the same thing jets and racecars just have a higher standard.

Racecars? I thought we are taking about production Porche's - they are hardly racecars.

I used a racecar because it would be on a par with the maintenance on a jet. All systems are routinely inspected and replaced. Analyzed for stress cracks, X-rayed the lot.

If you are wealthy or obessesive compulsive there is nothing stopping you from doing the same thing to a production car.

I keep a very high standard on my cars. I have a list of six or seven issues that I am monitoring and planning on each of my six cars.

My list is always evolving and given the resources I could easily cross over into the aerospace arena for maintenance.

It is simply a matter of time and money.

I believe in almost cult like care when it comes to maintenance, I was raised with a strong sense of taking good care of my possessions, my house is in equally good order for the same reasons. It's pretty simple, condition effects value and more important longevity. My DD car is a 1999 and mechanically it's very sound, with 75 on the clock I'm going to drive it till it rusts out.

Just to bust my balls, my buddy tells me last night his new neighbor has a Boxster about to go 200K that he does nothing to. I told my pal it's likely when the first item goes that his car might be worth less than the repair, apparently the guy agrees with him, he's just gonna run it till it dies and go from there. Not my choice but in life every pot has a fitting lid.

I think it is an age thing as well. Why is it the older I get, the greater need I feel to paint everything?

"My list is always evolving and given the resources I could easily cross over into the aerospace arena for maintenance."


I just crossed over into the twilight zone.

I guess walking through the pits at an ALMS IMSA, F1, Grand-Am, GT or Nascar race does nothing for you? Personally I aspire to achieve their level of competance and precision.

If that ain't your bag then great but why did you buy a Porsche when a Yugo will get you from point A to point B?

If that ain't your bag then great but why did you buy a Porsche when a Yugo will get you from point A to point B?

Because I was never under the delusion that a Porsche Boxster was a Super Car. :)

So your level of maintenance would be different on a Lamborghini than a Porsche? AFIAC my Boxster is a supercar to me but so is my 72 Land Rover.

"So your level of maintenance would be different on a Lamborghini than a Porsche? AFIAC my Boxster is a supercar to me but so is my 72 Land Rover."

Ford makes the Fiesta, they also made the Ford GT. I don't think many Fiesta owners think their car is the same as the GT. But I could be wrong. :)

So you think that the Boxster is the red headed step child of Porsche? Let's get to the point here after all. If you are sorry you did not buy "a real porsche" then sell your Boxster and go buy a supercar. You are annoying me now and that is not that easy to do.

I owned an RX8 several years ago and being on the RX8 forum allowed me to head off many of the issues before they cost me serious change.
So this issue is one of the main reasons I came on this forum.
First, before I bought my car, to find out which models were preferable to most, which had issues and what they were.
As you can see, my solution was a newer model with factory extended warranty (Certified).
Now, beside the obvious enjoyment of communicating with, mostly, like minded people from all over the world, I am able to keep up with what issues are effecting my model Porsche.
As an example, if lots of guys are having water pump issues at 60k miles, mine has 58k and I'm getting ready to go on a three to four thousand mile trip with Wifey, I would find it less expensive to replace the pump now, rather than a long tow, a ruined trip and the same expense to fix the pump, anyway.
If I'm at home and just doing local trips, I'll wait til it dies!
Something that can cause catastrophic failure, you bet, nip that puppy in the bud, but I'm not one to just replace expensive stuff like climbing a mountain, because it's there.

"If I'm at home and just doing local trips, I'll wait til it dies!
Something that can cause catastrophic failure, you bet, nip that puppy in the bud, but I'm not one to just replace expensive stuff like climbing a mountain, because it's there."

Well said.

If I can paraphrase on behalf of one Mr Rovered... I't's not about how cool the tool is, you take care of it with the same respect, it's an ideology; screw driver to air wrench, Mercury to Porsche.