Ouch, IMS failure on Ebay

[Kirk]

Originally Posted by wanna986

"It will also state that we (the sellers) are the party damaged by the engine failure, and are the rightful recipients of any future settlement against Porsche in regard to Boxster engine failures."

Can he do this?

That is a good question. I'm not really sure about the seller's legal rights. However, they are the ones who are suffering a loss here. The failed engine has decreased their sale price significantly. The buyer has no loss, they're getting the car pretty cheap. So I think it would stand to reason that the seller would be the one to benefit from any future settlement so as to set things right.

Kirk

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by Kirk

That is a good question. I'm not really sure about the seller's legal rights. However, they are the ones who are suffering a loss here. The failed engine has decreased their sale price significantly. The buyer has no loss, they're getting the car pretty cheap. So I think it would stand to reason that the seller would be the one to benefit from any future settlement so as to set things right.

Kirk

Unfortunately, legally that is not going to happen as the seller sold the car with a “clear” title, not an encumbered one; any future settlement transferred to the buyer, so the seller is out in any future settlement. And, in any case, you would have to be nuts to buy a car with an encumbered title…………..

[mptoledo]

My favorite line of his ebay post was
"Individuals affiliated with Porsche in any way agree to pay double"

I guess I would be bitter if my ims crapped out after 2k miles.

[Perfectlap]

Is there any truth to this occuring more with the 03-04 cars because of the revised IMS design being more prone to failure than the earlier design?

This is the first thing I thought of when I saw the thread title and sure enough it was an 03.

[timothy]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Is there any truth to this occuring more with the 03-04 cars because of the revised IMS design being more prone to failure than the earlier design?

Not sure but my 03 has 92k miles and is going strong both on the street and track. That being said it will probably die tomorrow.

Sure wish I had seen this auction before it ended!

[blinkwatt]

The IMS was redesigned in 00'+ from the 97-99's,hence why it's an issue with newer M96 engines. 3.2L & 3.4L tend to have more of an issue with it. Just look how many 996 bad engine threads there are on Rennlist. If the IMS were redesigned again from 03'+ on I'm not sure.

[Jake Raby]

The IMS bearing revisions made the issues WORSE! The early cars have a double row bearing, mid year cars have a single row bearing with 1/2 as much bearing support!!

this was done to allow bearing removal and replacement so Porsche didn't owe you a new engine under warranty when it started to take a crap.

They all equally suck, I received a phone call yesterday from an IMS victim with a failure of a 00 bearing at 37K miles.. Today I have gotten TWO calls, one from an 02 Carrera owner and the other from an 04 Boxster S Owner.

Last week I had 7 IMS bearing failure calls, and two D chunk failure calls...

[blinkwatt]

Check his last line out.

'Individuals affiliated with Porsche in any way agree to pay double.'

Hahahaha

The forth picture from the top says it all......

[carsetc]

After lots of reading about the dreaded IMS bearing failure and inquiries to local PCA tech savvy people, Porsche Dealers and independent shops I decided I didn’t want to chance it.

On Friday, I took my 02 Boxster S to a recommended independent shop that has already done a few L/N IMS update kits. I’m having the L/N IMS bearing kit done and a new RMS installed. The L/N IMS bearing kit should be in on Tuesday and I should have the car back by Wednesday. I’m going there tomorrow to look under the car w/out the transmission in it.

Hopefully this “preventive measure” was the right move.

[tnoice]

do you mind volunteering how much that might have cost you

[blue2000s]

Originally Posted by carsetc

After lots of reading about the dreaded IMS bearing failure and inquiries to local PCA tech savvy people, Porsche Dealers and independent shops I decided I didn’t want to chance it.

On Friday, I took my 02 Boxster S to a recommended independent shop that has already done a few L/N IMS update kits. I’m having the L/N IMS bearing kit done and a new RMS installed. The L/N IMS bearing kit should be in on Tuesday and I should have the car back by Wednesday. I’m going there tomorrow to look under the car w/out the transmission in it.

Hopefully this “preventive measure” was the right move.

Who did you go to?

[mptoledo]

Yes, +1 on the details of the what kit they used and the costs. Time it took would also be very helpful.

[Jake Raby]

We have done more of these retrofits than anyone, including the first one and all the testing.

I charge a flat rate of 3,500 parts and labor for Boxsters up to 2005 to complete the IMS retrofit process. This includes a new clutch, pressure plate, release bearing as well as the LN IMSR kit and all other related parts including the updated RMS.

This also includes dyno evaluation and field testing of at least 250 miles after the retrofit is made to ensure there are no leaks present and that the unit is functioning as expected.

I include the clutch unit in my prices because any Boxster with 35K+ miles is in need of clutch service and with the components already pulled to facilitate the IMSR it makes no sense not to replace them.

Most any shop will charge an amount that rivals this to do the procedure, but most do it by the hour and charge more. We are more proficient with the process, know what to expect and how to overcome challenges that can be experienced during bearing extraction processes.

I have Boxsters here from 4 states right now to have the process completed.