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Old 08-13-2009, 09:16 AM   #1
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Oops... another obamanation...

Another example of poor judgement in rushing to triple the size of the program before any analysis to see if the program actually accomplishes anything, except draining the taxpayers coffers that is.

$3 billion buys not-so-green vehicles

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Old 08-13-2009, 09:52 AM   #2
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Ok, here is the humble opinion of a foreigner...

Obama is good for this country's profile. He is something that this country needs if you want to reestablish good faith from the rest of the world.

This program (CARS) sounds good, yet it affects the economy and is coming from the government. Is this bad? Not necessarily... But I guess socialism (even in the very light form Obama applies it) should be forbidden, even taken out of our vocabulary. On the other hand the unconstrained capitalism was so good that its unwanted results that everyone is going through now are negligible...

Do a search in this forum for "Bush" and one for "Obama", you'll see what I mean...

Nevertheless, what makes Porsche owners appropriate judges of administration programs that are meant to help the poorer? Is it that we drive efficient, domestic cars and we care about the environment? I don't think so...

I guess Porsche owners belong in the high income portion of this country's population. Most of them may well be republicans, not liking a democrat president anyway... But don't turn this forum into a political combat...
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Ok, here is the humble opinion of a foreigner...

Obama is good for this country's profile. He is something that this country needs if you want to reestablish good faith from the rest of the world.

Interesting comment. So, it must be necessary to take a world tour and apologize for America. Hmm, you can understand why this might strike some of us here as not being a good thing.


This program (CARS) sounds good, yet it affects the economy and is coming from the government. Is this bad? Not necessarily... But I guess socialism (even in the very light form Obama applies it) should be forbidden, even taken out of our vocabulary. On the other hand the unconstrained capitalism was so good that its unwanted results that everyone is going through now are negligible...

You make some very interesting and unsubstantiated claims here. One is that the program sounds good. Perhaps to you, yet many on both sides of the political spectrum here in the US believe it is an utter waste of money that the government is having to borrow in order to fund.

That is the essential issue many of us have with most of what Obama is doing. He is spending like a drunken sailor and he is spending money he does not have and will not have in the future. Where I come from, we don't think that is a GOOD thing!



Do a search in this forum for "Bush" and one for "Obama", you'll see what I mean...

Oh you mean we might have a particular leaning here? No surprise there. Most of us work for a living and resent having our money wasted.



Nevertheless, what makes Porsche owners appropriate judges of administration programs that are meant to help the poorer? Is it that we drive efficient, domestic cars and we care about the environment? I don't think so...

This program to help the "poorer" helped my millionaire cousin buy here new Lexus. Hmmm, what makes me think I can have an opinon about that?

PS-I "care" about the environment but what does that really mean?






I guess Porsche owners belong in the high income portion of this country's population. Most of them may well be republicans, not liking a democrat president anyway... But don't turn this forum into a political combat...


This lounge is for this kind of interchange. No one is compelled to enter and we enjoy a good back and forth.
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But there is no interchange and definitely no back and forth... It seems that you all are in some kind of agreement in all government matters...

You should have this debate in the Ford Focus forum (I think there is at least one). I guess there you would have to go back, because here it's been forth forth forth

Anyway, I just wanted to express my feelings regarding the general situation in the forum. It looks to me that there are 3-4 threads open simultaneously, discussing (criticizing) Obama's administration.

Just 2 cents from a "resident alien" as we were referred to earlier in this thread... or your proud European (Greek) member as I would prefer to be called

And to keep the dialog open...

When I first came here (2 years ago) I was amazed to see that people dislike Bush and were long waiting for change. This was not evident/known to Europe.
Was Obama the right way to go? Maybe yes, maybe not... He sure is considered promising outside US.

The program sounds good to me... Boosting the economy needs wasting money. It's the omelet without breaking eggs story again...

And again, your cousin buying a Lexus right now is actually helping the poor.

Environmentaly conscious means that measures that appear to have positive environmental impact should be looked at positively... Judgment can follow of course but starting from this point...
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Old 08-13-2009, 11:44 AM   #5
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Ok, here is the humble opinion of a foreigner...

Obama is good for this country's profile. He is something that this country needs if you want to reestablish good faith from the rest of the world.

This program (CARS) sounds good, yet it affects the economy and is coming from the government. Is this bad? Not necessarily... But I guess socialism (even in the very light form Obama applies it) should be forbidden, even taken out of our vocabulary. On the other hand the unconstrained capitalism was so good that its unwanted results that everyone is going through now are negligible...

Do a search in this forum for "Bush" and one for "Obama", you'll see what I mean...

Nevertheless, what makes Porsche owners appropriate judges of administration programs that are meant to help the poorer? Is it that we drive efficient, domestic cars and we care about the environment? I don't think so...

I guess Porsche owners belong in the high income portion of this country's population. Most of them may well be republicans, not liking a democrat president anyway... But don't turn this forum into a political combat...
It is of course your opinion that Obama is good for the country's profile. But, it is my opinion that it is the job of an American President to conduct their foreign policy in a manner, which is 100% in the self-interest of the USA, not to approach other nations hat-in-hand as Obama and his Sec. of State 'Billary' have done.

I also expect that other nations too act purely in their own self-interest - that is their purpose. Only when common interests can be furthered should there be any type of accommodation or cooperation - that is the way of nation-states.

Establish good faith in the rest of the world? America is the #1 customer to the world... if they don't like us, then they can sell their goods and services to someone else! Oh.. wait... no, they cannot - there is nobody else!

The CARS program is NOT good for the economy! Selling more Japanese cars is NOT good for America, especially when at the same time; we are propping up GM and Chrysler to the tune of several billion dollars! Nor is it significantly impacting the environment, especially when one considers that whatever reduced carbon emissions or saved petroleum is more than negated by the excesses in both these things by emerging nations such as China and India.

The CARS program, as originally conceived was to be a $1Billion, 90-day program. 33 days into it, the Administration threatens Congress with their August recess unless they add an additional $2Billion to the program, and this without any accounting for how the first billion was spent or what goals were achieved. It's as if they wanted $3Billion all along, but knew Congress, and the American people, would not have stood for that - the camel in the tent syndrome. A very real reason to distrust the current Administration and it’s motives.

Socialism does not work in the sense that it stifles innovation, work ethic and does not create wealth through value adding. Many euros now reside in the US specifically because of their socialist homelands. In fact, a salesman at our local Porsche dealership is a Netherlander from the Haig named George (aka the Dutchman). I once asked him how he came to live in the US, his reply was that he was "tired of working hard and getting nowhere, watching the govt. spend it on people who didn't contribute” his words, not mine.

It's incredible to me that when confronted with the obvious lack of experience, missteps and lack off progress to-date by our current president, people (along with the Media) inject a comparison to Geo. Bush. That is laughable! If you insist on comparing the two, well at this same point in his presidency, Geo. Bush had a 56% approval rating to Obama's current 50%. I was no particular supporter of many issues in the Bush presidency, but I did feel that he was president for ALL the people. But, Bush ain't the guy, he's yesterday's news. Obama is now the guy who is supposed to get it done, who promised to get it done, who said he knew how to get it done. Comparisons like this are no comparison at all - different time, different circumstances.

At this time in our country's history, America seriously needs a leader. Unfortunately what we got was another liberal, partisan politician (and a crooked Chicago style politician at that). If there were a comparison to be made between Obama and a former US President, then a comparison to Jimmy Carter would be more apropos. A State politician with little prior experience, elected on the heels of a backlash to an unpopular president (Nixon, and Ford who pardoned Nixon), weak on foreign policy, taking office in a downturn and relying on heavy deficit domestic spending to buy his way to a second term. And, like Carter, I predict that Obama too will be a one-termer, followed by 12 years of republican presidency. I think the only consolation I get from your expression of personal opinion is that at least you will not be able to counter my vote.

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Lill has pretty much read my mind.

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