Go Back   986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners > Porsche Boxster & Cayman Forums > Boxster General Discussions

Post Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-01-2008, 06:55 AM   #1
Registered User
 
Lil bastard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Du Monde
Posts: 2,199
Krauts and Japs at it again!

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/30/porsche-accuses-nissan-gt-r-of-cheating-the-ring/?icid=200100397x1210457835x1200608170

__________________
1990 Porsche 964 Carrera 4 Cabriolet
1976 BMW 2002
1990 BMW 325is
1999 Porsche Boxster
(gone, but not forgotten)
http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/a...smiley-003.gif

Never drive faster than your Guardian Angel can fly!
Lil bastard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2008, 07:37 AM   #2
Registered User
 
Brucelee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 8,083
JUst to head this off at the pass, as someone who is of German heritiage, I don't have an issue with the term Krauts. Nor, do I find Pollack offensive. Nor Mick, nor Frog.

There, I have hanled my lineage.

__________________
Rich Belloff

Brucelee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2008, 09:57 AM   #3
Registered User
 
Lil bastard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Du Monde
Posts: 2,199
Sorry... no offense intended... I'm of Irish decent and have heard all the 'Pat & Mike' jokes there are and find them very funny...not offensive at all. I was just trying to give it a 'catchy' title. If anyone is offended, I apologize as this was NOT my intent!

I realize that German-Americans had NOTHING to do with the Holocaust and that Japanese-Americans were NOT the ones who attacked Pearl Harbor. Both groups are honored members of the US citizenry!
__________________
1990 Porsche 964 Carrera 4 Cabriolet
1976 BMW 2002
1990 BMW 325is
1999 Porsche Boxster
(gone, but not forgotten)
http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/a...smiley-003.gif

Never drive faster than your Guardian Angel can fly!
Lil bastard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2008, 11:15 AM   #4
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: New York
Posts: 288
Gossipy, I love it!

jk

this will be interesting though. Lots of people do buy the GT-R saying that is faster than a Turbo around the 'ring. I wonder how this will effect buyers. Maybe some people who placed orders on the GT-R will ask for the $$ back?
__________________
"If you feel like you're under control, you're just not going fast enough."
-Mario Andretti (cliche!)

2002 Boxster S 6 Speed (Ocean Blue/Savannah)
-De-Snorkled, Porsche (B&M) Short Shifter, EVO Shift Linkage
-H7 HID Upgrade
-Rennwerke Maintained
1998 Bouvier (Brindle)

http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/42...425x425Q85.jpg
fragdude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2008, 02:23 PM   #5
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Texarkana, Texas
Posts: 959
Nissan may have been using one of their "ringer" cars at the Ring.

If you read the latest Car and Driver they did an article about the inconsistency in Nissan GTR test cars. Evidently some of them have significantly more horsepower than Nissan claims, to get the acceleration times they're getting. That's still up for debate, but on average it just looks like a plus for anyone who buys one. Porsche may be comparing the power/weight ratio claimed by Nissan, which C&D has shown to be under valued.

Kirk
__________________
2000 Boxster S - Gemballa body kit, GT3 front bumper, JRZ coilovers, lower stress bars
2003 911 Carrera 4S - TechArt body kit, TechArt coilovers, HRE wheels
1986 911 Carrera Targa - 3.2L, Euro pistons, 964 cams, steel slant nose widebody
1975 911S Targa - undergoing a full restoration and engine rebuild
Also In The Garage - '66 912, '69 912, '72 914 Chalon wide body, '73 914
Kirk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2008, 03:45 PM   #6
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: south San Jose, CA
Posts: 139
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirk
Porsche may be comparing the power/weight ratio claimed by Nissan, which C&D has shown to be under valued.
Kirk
That would be true if Porsche were simply comparing numbers, without doing an actual test. In this case, however, Porsche bought a GTR and drove it around the ring. They bought it in the US, and the way these things go, I am sure the Nissan folks did not know it was Porsche that was buying the car.

CD (or some other car mag) did point out the inconsistency of "heavier--same-HP--yet-faster" in the GTR. IIRC they insinuated that it could be the electronics (or perhaps that was my personal 'take away' from reading the article).

Btw, I'm sure Porsche has access to a dyno, so they must have done a check already on the claimed vs actual on the GTR.
bigb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2008, 09:09 AM   #7
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Washington
Posts: 8
Send a message via AIM to EvilTwin
Porsche needs to step up to the challenge. The Nissan did beat the total lap time but it was using R-compound tires. That doesn't matter because GM brought the new ZR-1 to the "ring" with stock Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 ZP tires and set a new lap record of 7:26.4. That was on 06/27/08.
EvilTwin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2008, 10:07 AM   #8
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 307
Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilTwin
Porsche needs to step up to the challenge. The Nissan did beat the total lap time but it was using R-compound tires. That doesn't matter because GM brought the new ZR-1 to the "ring" with stock Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 ZP tires and set a new lap record of 7:26.4. That was on 06/27/08.
And a 2008 dodge viper acr with 600 hp on ps2s has set the record for fastest production car on production tires shortly after at 7:22
__________________
Lamborghini Murcielago (current)
Supercharged Viper SRT-10 800 HP Special Edition #49 of #50 (current)
Ferrari 360 Spider
Lamborghini Diablo VT Roadster
911 Cab
Boxster S (current)
08 Hummer H2 (current)
BMW Z3 (current)

Limos in Ohio and PA - First Class Limo Columbus Limos

http://pteam.net/avatar3.jpg
my car collection *Porschephiles agree, Desnorkify your Porsche!*

Last edited by pteam; 10-02-2008 at 10:12 AM.
pteam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2008, 10:47 AM   #9
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Chicago suburbs
Posts: 1,675
I don't think that stereotype is necessay in this day and age. It was funny on Archie Bunker's "All in the Family", but not so funny nowadays.

As for the Nissan..."cheater".
jmatta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2008, 02:53 PM   #10
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,997
No...it's still funny.
Frodo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2008, 04:22 PM   #11
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 691
I tend to believe Porsche on this one. Nissan probably used non-stock racing tires.

Think thru the scenario a little. If Porsche's accusation wasn't based in fact, then all Nissan would have to do is show up tomorrow at the ring and replicate the test, bringing a flock of magazine reporters. Nissan would then prove their product on a huge stage. That would totally backfire on Porsche.

Surely Porsche thought this through...right? I guess we'll see.
__________________
SOLD - 2002 Boxster S - PSM, Litronics, De-ambered, Bird Bike Rack, Hardtop, RMS leak...
fatmike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2008, 04:33 PM   #12
Registered User
 
Quickurt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Coastal Oak Forest
Posts: 1,069
Achtung!!
Vas is ziss kraut krap? Hummph?

Hai konichiwa. Wakarimasen "jap" ka? Anata wa "ass" hirogohan-o tabe tai desu!



__________________
Sold - Black on Sand Beige 2006 S - 48K miles
18x8.5 and 10 OZ Alleggerita HLT Anthracite wheels and anthracite Cayman side grilles - lovingly adjusted Schnell Short Shift
Quickurt is offline   Reply With Quote
Post Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page