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Old 09-30-2007, 03:16 AM   #1
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True or False???

Question. I was told by a 18 year Porsche Master Tech. that if I remove the 2nd set of cats on my 2000 Porsche Boxster S that the check engine light will come on.
Can this really be ture?

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Old 09-30-2007, 04:30 AM   #2
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Just disconnect the front O2 sensors and find out.

Really think you are going to gain that much HP with just an exhaust tweak?
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:37 AM   #3
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Not sure about the Boxster, but this can be true with other cars. I think some of it depends on whether or not there are O2 sensors after the 2nd cat.
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Old 09-30-2007, 06:24 AM   #4
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True, it is mainly because of the disconnected 2nd 02 sensor.
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:27 AM   #5
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On the Boxster, the secondary O2 sensors are after the pre-cats i the headers, not the secondary cats. The car cannot tell if the secondary cats have been removed.

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Old 09-30-2007, 12:55 PM   #6
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Your 18 years of experience (or is it 18 years old) Porsche Master Mechanic is wrong. The O2 sensors are on the header cats (1st set) like bmwm750 stated. No way for a CEL to come on.
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:41 PM   #7
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This is absolutely false. I took the secondary cats off over a year ago and have driven thousands of miles on and off the track. No CEL. This really isn't something to do to gain HP as you will never notice the difference but it will alter the tonal quality of the exhaust which can be just as rewarding as a few HP.
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Old 10-01-2007, 05:48 AM   #11
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Do you have emissions testing in PA? If so, wouldn't you fail without the second cats?
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Old 10-01-2007, 09:08 AM   #12
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MOST of the counties in PA have emmissions. With the exception of a few, however, they're visual only. So a lot of cars like these can get away with "Yep, there are still cats on it!" as long as the mechanic doesn't know it's supposed to have two
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I don't get it. Aren't there 4 sets of O2 sensors on each sets of cats? Right. The 2 on the 1st set which are located on the headers and the 2nd set which are on the down-pipe just before the exhaust. So that makes a total of 4! As long as you keep the 1st set with the headers that use a bung hole for the O2 sensors the cell should not come on. The second set of cats also uses O2 sensors, and if you were to buy an after market set of by-pass pipes they would still need the bung holes for the sensors. So maybe the Porsche master tech thought the removal meant the sensors too, and not just the cats.
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Old 10-01-2007, 02:04 PM   #14
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The second set of cats also uses O2 sensors
On a 2000 S, this is not accurate. There are (on each side) two O2 sensors. One before the primary cat on the header and one directly after it, also on the header. There are no other O2 sensors.

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